Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Bones of Our Atlantean Ancestors

Kakha Margiani continues by sending along this quite exellent additional information about the giant skeletons of the Caucasus. I found the connection to the R1A1 Y-DNA to be striking. At this juncture I should also point out (at the risk of repeating myself) that the lineage Q, related to R, is the one which makes up the bulk of the populations of the Americas, and that it was formulated in the Old World by 25000 BC but implanted into the New World by 18000 BC: the exact timeframe for the development of mtDNA lineages A and X and the supposed Solutrean crossing. Having these facts all coincide is indeed good confirmation of the general theory.

As an additional note, a current news item says that the New World was colonized by the descendants of six women who lived 20000 years ago-which presumes them all to have come over the Bering Land Bridge. If those six women are meant to include the mt DNA lineages A and X then the theory already has problems (Some of the other mtDNA lineages are not known to go back as far as 20000 years ago.) in this case it is well to note that the Q line represents one section of related males that intermarried with (here it says) six distinct and diverse female lineages to produce the Native Americans: the same thing is true of the Europeans (Probably to a lesser extent)

Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Giant Ancestors of the Atlanteans

This is from Kakha Margiani and I believe the basic premise is supported by other facts not known to the experts in the Caucasus mountains area. In France and Spain, contemporaneous with these remains in question referred to in the video, were other peoples nearly as large, centered around the Pyrennies mountains area and although their stone tools are made differently, the are of a related type. I believe these wre part of the populations that crossed the Atlantic during the Solutrean period and could have settled in Atlantis along the way: they certainly seem to have continued on in America into a later date Archaeologically.

Published on May 28, 2012 by Kakha Margiani

Sensational finding was made between the Great and Little Caucasus Mountain Ranges. In the Georgia are discovered remains of the very mysterious giants. For centuries here was spread legend about the mysterious giants. Now the legend became reality. What a mystery is hidden here? Reports our correspondent - Robaqidze.

The bones belong to the people, the giants. They lived 25,000 years ago in the mountains of the Borjomi. Scientists argue that the growth of human giant could be from 2.5 to 3 meters. Academic Abesalom Vekua believes that the finding could be a sensation, as in the scientific community has long debated topic related to the giants who inhabited certain areas of Eurasia thousands of years ago. Abesalom Vekua, Academician of Georgian Academy of Sciences says: "Pay attention to thigh-bone, it differs from the bones of modern man of his size and thickness. The skull is also much larger. These people have lived and evolved in isolation from the rest of civilization, and therefore different growth. In literature they are referred to as giants, but documentary evidence of this hypothesis did not exist still. Thus, we stand on the threshold of sensation. But this will be preceded by hard work."

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Cro-magnon_giant_humans of western europe. The one shown at right is 2.5 meters tall.

And once again I must apologize to Kakha Margiani because I feel very strongly that our communications have been tampered with. This is the first one of his communications that I have seen in a long time.

Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Global Bronze Age Culture

The folowing article was just posted on the Global warming and Terraforming Terra blog. I thought it was important enough to reprint but i felt that it left out some important details. My additions are after the end of the original article.

Tuesday, May 22, 2012

Global Bronze Age Culture

As recent postings have steadily discovered, Bronze Age maritime trade was centered on Crete and the Nile Delta as that was the primary choke point for all trade. From there it reached out and touched Bali and India to the East and from the West they established Yucatan and Bimini. Those appear to be the main centers of activity, however there were innumerable trade factories supported through these bases. A great surge of discovery occurred with the building of the Great Pyramid in 2420BC and it is reasonable to presume that inside even a generation or two that all the factory infrastructure was already founded.
This also means that communication was sustained until 1159BC or for a full 1400 years although Thera destroyed the strongest part of this system around 1600 BC.
During this time period major changes took place in humanity’s intellectual tool kit that can no longer be treated in isolation or under the presumption of local improvement. Most noteworthy we discover that Mesopotamia switched from pictographs to cuneiform writing. It is reasonable that the advent of the metals trade created demand for semi universal scripts that worked better than local systems too tied to local language forms.

Thus local systems quickly evolved as improvement ideas were shared.

At the same time the knowledge of astronomy was well advanced already as shown by both the Great Pyramid and Stonehenge. What needed to evolve was the number system and we see evidence of actually more than one attempt. In particular, the Mayan method stands out as an excellent system that failed to produce a mathematica and stagnated. The geometry of construction and land surveying produced the core of the initial foundation of mathematics.

All this evolved into the state that was restored by the Greeks 2500 years ago and built upon.

The Greeks themselves fled the Baltic in the aftermath of the 1159 Hekla tsunami that ended the Bronze Age of Atlantis, taking with them their heroic epics that were later written out by Homer in Ionia. Along the way they gained possession of materials held in former Atlantean trade factories and collected additional material from Egypt.

Our best written records of the Bronze Age come form Mesopotamia and we can assume that this also reflects the standard throughout the world. Material we associate with the Bible was all part of this era and has been our best informant even if its viewpoint appears narrow. What we associate with history and knowledge generally was a much later development and we need to contain our disappointment that ancient informants lack our sensibility.

Thursday, May 17, 2012

Suppressed By Scholars: Twin Ancient Cultures On Opposite Sides Of The Pacific

Suppressed By Scholars: Twin Ancient Cultures On Opposite Sides Of The Pacific

Twin Ancient Cultures Opposite Sides Of Pacific
Monday, May 14, 2012 10:14

One of the greatest archaeological riddles—and one of the grossest academic omissions—of our time is the untold story of the parallel ruins left by two seemingly unrelated ancient civilizations: the ancient Mayans on one side of the Pacific Ocean and the ancient Balinese on the other. The mysterious and unexplained similarities in their architecture, iconography, and religion are so striking and profound that the Mayans and Balinese seem to have been twin civilizations—as if children of the same parent. Yet, incredibly, this mystery is not only being ignored by American scholars, it’s being suppressed.

What does archaeology have to do with big politics and big business? Everything. This next statement, written in boldface, may sound absurd to you; but please keep reading, then look at the photographic evidence in this article, then draw your own conclusion:
By controlling major academic institutions and the mass media, a vastly wealthy elite group of powerful corporate families is successfully hiding historical and spiritual truths of our ancient past. The goal of this group is to maintain a secretive global system of economic and political tyranny that their forefathers established more than a century ago that was once termed the “Invisible Government” by influential American leaders.
More specifically, this elite are concealing the fact that there once existed a highly-sophisticated “Golden Age” civilization on earth in remote prehistory. This Golden Age civilization ended abruptly, but left behind a powerfully-advanced spiritual doctrine that was later inherited by the world’s first known civilizations, all children of the Golden Age.
The world’s first cultures inherited and practiced this “Universal Religion” via the now-academically-taboo process called “hyperdiffusionism,” a pejorative 20th century term recently invented by the establishment media and academia:

“Hyperdiffusionism — the theory that all cultures originated from one [Golden Age] culture. Hyperdiffusionists deny that parallel evolution or independent invention took place to any great extent throughout history, they claim that…all cultures can be traced back to a single culture.”
— Wikipedia

By denouncing, and thus debilitating, any academic study even remotely related to the so-called “hyperdiffusionist” model of history—a model that was widely accepted by scholars of past centuries, who called the Golden Age civilization “Atlantis”—the elite have successfully kept the Universal Religion out of our reach. In doing so they have prevented us from accessing a deep, self-empowering body of wisdom that has the potential to stir a paradigm shift in humanity which would endanger their global hegemony.
The present article relates a single example of hyperdiffusionism in the ancient past. It’s a revealing look at how the ancient culture of the Mayans, a highly-advanced civilization that flourished on the Yucatán Peninsula in southeastern Mexico, is mysteriously similar to a parallel culture on the other side of the globe, the ancient Balinese, who flourished on the tiny island of Bali in Southeast Asia. What you are about to see is evidence of the Universal Religion on both sides of the Pacific Ocean, apparently handed down by the same Golden Age civilization.
Establishment scholars say the Mayans and the Balinese were never in contact, since they were separated by the Pacific Ocean, which these scholars say was impassible by the ancients. Yet these scholars never offer to explain the profound parallels the two cultures shared. Here are 12 examples of these parallels:

#1 – Stepped Pyramids (With Temples On Top)

BALINESE (LEFT): The Mother Temple of Besakih, or Pura Besakih, is the most important, the largest and holiest pyramidal temple in Bali, Indonesia, and one of a series of Balinese temples. It has stepped terraces, resembling a stepped pyramid.
MAYAN (RIGHT): This stepped pyramid, called the High Priest’s Temple or Ossuary, has four sides with staircases on each side. The sides of the stairways are decorated with interlaced feathered serpents. Pillars associated with this building are in the form of the Toltec feathered serpent and human figures.

#2 – Twin Dragons / Serpents Balusters Running Down Temple Sides

BALINESE (LEFT): The last stage of Besakih temple is called Stairway to Heaven, and it is made of twin serpent / dragon balustrades that run down the full length of the stairway. At the bottom of the stairway their mouths are open.
MAYAN (RIGHT): The pyramid of El Castillo features plumed serpents that run down the sides of the northern balustrade. At the bottom of the stairway their mouths are open. During the spring and autumn equinoxes, the late afternoon sun strikes off the northwest corner of the pyramid and casts a series of triangular shadows against the northwest balustrade, which creates the illusion of a feathered serpent “crawling” down the pyramid.

#3 – Sacred Corbel Arch Architecture

BALINESE (LEFT): This corbel arch from a temple complex in Ubud is constructed by offsetting successive courses of stone (or brick) at the springline of the walls so that they project towards the archway’s center from each supporting side, until the courses meet at the apex of the archway. Often, the last gap is bridged with a flat stone.
MAYAN (RIGHT): Notable throughout Maya architecture is the corbel arch, which directs the weight off of the lintel and onto the supporting posts. The corbel vault has no keystone, as European arches do, making the Maya vault appear more like a narrow triangle than an archway. Often, the last gap is bridged with a flat stone.

Renowned 19th century Mayanist Augustus Le Plongeon, who has since been discredited because of his hyperdiffusionist idea that the world’s first cultures were children of a much older civilization named Atlantis, believed that the universality of the corbel arch in Antiquity was strong evidence of hyperdiffusionism:
“…Augustus Le Plongeon, a pioneering Mayanist, renowned for having made the earliest thorough and systematic photographic documentation of archaeological sites in Yucatan…
…for Le Plongeon, the most important evidence of cultural diffusion was the Mayas’ corbelled arch. The arches… he believed, had proportions that related to the “mystic numbers 3.5.7″ which he stated were used by ancient Masonic master builders…Those same proportions, he also noted, were found in tombs in Chaldea and Etruria, in ancient Greek structures and as part of the Great Pyramid in Egypt…

Throughout his writings, including “The Origins of the Egyptians” published posthumously in 1913, he compares modern and ancient Maya and Egyptian ethnography, linguistics, iconography and religious practices…He was basically on the right track methodologically, and he did make a number of intriguing observations and analogies…”
—Lawrence G. Desmond, Augustus Le Plongeon: A Fall From Archaeological Grace

#4 – Parallel “Fearsome” Deities At Temple Entrances

BALINESE (LEFT): Note the face, right hand, left hand, and left foot. This fearsome looking Balinese deity marks the entrances to Balinese temples. He has a torch in his left hand, huge teeth and fangs, long hair, a beard, and a fearful expression. In the bottom photo you can see his left foot points out to the left while his right hand is close-fisted just below his chest, elbow out—similar to the Mayan photo.
MAYAN (RIGHT): Note the face, right hand, left hand, and left foot. This fearsome looking “howler monkey god” statue marks the entrances to Mayan temples. The howler monkey god was a major deity of the arts—including music—and a patron of the artisans among the Classic Mayas, especially of the scribes and sculptors. He holds a torch in his left hand, has huge teeth, long hair, a beard, and a fearful expression. In the bottom photo you can see his left foot points outward to the left while his right hand is close-fisted just below his chest, elbow out—similar to the Balinese photo.

#5 – Sculpted Stone Serpents

BALINESE (LEFT): Balinese serpents carved in stone protrude from the sides of temples. The serpent is one of the oldest and most widespread mythological symbols; it represents fertility or the creative life force. As snakes shed their skin through moulting, they are symbols of rebirth, transformation, immortality, and healing. The ouroboros is a symbol of eternity and continual renewal of life.
MAYAN (RIGHT): Mayan serpents carved in stone protrude from the sides of temples. The serpent was a very important social and religious symbol, revered by the Mayans. The shedding of their skin made them a symbol of rebirth and renewal. The chief Mesoamerican god, Quetzalcoatl, was represented as a feathered serpent. The Vision Serpent was also important. During Mayan rituals participants would experience visions in which they communicated with the ancestors or gods. These visions took the form of a giant serpent which served as a gateway to the spirit realm. The ancestor or god who was being contacted was depicted as emerging from the serpent’s mouth.

#6 – Spiritual Energy Harnessed Through Hand Gestures

BALINESE (LEFT): Notice the yoga-style position of the hands of Acintya (Statuette of Acintya, Bali Museum) the chief deity of the ancient Balinese religion. An important aspect of the ancient worldwide practice of yoga is the subtle but key practice of hand, body and eye postures, to invoke certain flows of energy and create certain states of consciousness, called in India “yoga mudras” or “hand yoga gestures.”
MAYAN (RIGHT): Stela at Copan of king Waxaklahuun Ub’aah K’awiil, believe to have been erected December 5, 711. Note the position of his hands as compared to Acynta. Hand yoga gestures generally work by preventing the dissipation of prana (life-force) from the fingertips. In order to do this, one brings the fingers together in various ways, which helps create certain subtle energy circuits. These circuits then channel prana along particular pathways to affect the mind/body complex in specific ways.

#7 – Frightening Faces Above Doorways (With Recessed Lintels)

BALINESE (LEFT): Many Balinese temples depict faces of deities—often grotesque or scary visages— above the main doorway. Note how the top of the doorway steps inward in successive steps. In one sense, these were used as apotropaic symbols, having the power to prevent evil or bad luck and to scare away evil spirits. The doorways and windows of buildings were felt to be particularly vulnerable to evil. On churches and castles, gargoyles or other grotesque faces and figures would be carved to frighten away evil and other malign influences.

MAYAN (RIGHT): Many Mayan temples depict faces of deities—often grotesque or scary visages— above the main doorway. Note how the top of the doorway steps inward in successive steps. Some scholars believe these to be masks. The Mayan’s created masks showing the faces of snakes and various animals and these masks were quite common.

#8 – Twin Elephant Deities

BALINESE (LEFT): An elephant head at the entrance to a Balinese temple. The elephant here may or may not predate the practice of Hinduism on the island. In Hinduism, the most widely worshiped Hindu god deity is Lord Ganesha: The Elephant God. He represents “perfect wisdom” and is considered to be the “remover of obstacles” and “bestower of prosperity.” He combines the natures of the two most intelligent beings—man and elephant.
MAYAN (RIGHT): An elephant head on a Mayan sculpture. Elephant heads are prominent in art and sculpture throughout the ancient Americas. This is a bit of a mystery, since elephants were supposed to have disappeared from America about 10,000 years ago as the Ice Ages waned. Scholars in the past who subscribed to diffusionist theories believed the elephant imagery was created by the Mayans either because they themselves originated in the Old World or because they had seen elephants first hand after traveling there themselves. It is also possible that cultures in the Americas are far more ancient than scholars realize, and stretch back to a time when elephants were still living in the Americas. British surgeon and sinologist. W. Perceval Yetts (1878 – 1957) wrote:
“So far back as 1813 doubts were thrown on the autochthony attributed to Maya culture, and about ten years ago the famous anatomist Professor G. Elliot Smith revived some of the old arguments and fortified them with many ingenious speculations of his own…to prove that a certain motive used in Maya design was derived from the Old World. The motive is well displayed twice on a carved monolith at Copan…and Professor Smith champions the identification of these two forms as heads of elephants, and, above all, as heads of Indian elephants.”
—W. Perceval Yetts, Elephants and Maya Art

#9 – Monster Temples With Massive “Mouth” Entrances

BALINESE (LEFT): This is the Goa Gajah temple, also called Elephant Cave. On the façade of the cave is an enormous zoomorphic mask with the entrance to the temple as its mouth. Next to this figure in relief are various menacing creatures and demons carved in the rock at the cave entrance. The primary figure was once thought to be an elephant, hence the nickname Elephant Cave. The site is mentioned in the Javanese poem Desawarnana written in 1365. An extensive bathing place on the site was not excavated until the 1950s. These appear to have been built to ward off evil spirits.
MAYAN (RIGHT): Uxmal: Pyramid of the Magician. On the façade of the pyramid entrance is an enormous zoomorphic mask with the entrance to the temple as its mouth. Next to this figure in relief are various menacing creatures and demons carved in the rock at the entrance. Linda Schele (1942 – 1998) an expert in the field of Mayan epigraphy and iconography, wrote:
“The façades of Maya architecture served as a stage front for ritual and carriers of important religious and political symbolism…One of the most impressive techniques was to treat the entire façade as a great monster head with the door as its mouth, as on…the Pyramid of the Magician at Uxmal…People entering such buildings appeared to be walking into the gullet of the monster.”
—Linda Schele, The Iconography of Maya Architectural Façades during the Late Classic Period

#10 – Chakana Cross Symbols

BALINESE (LEFT): Scholars have mostly ignored this esoteric spiritual symbol that repeats on Balinese stone monuments, here shown on the Bali Pavilion of Taman Mini. But in Andean culture (Incas, pre-Incas) it’s well-known as “Chakana,” which stands for “Inca Cross.” The Chakana symbolizes for Inca mythology what is known in other mythologies as the World Tree (i.e., the Tree of Life). A stepped cross, with three steps on each side, it is made up of an equal-armed cross indicating the cardinal points of the compass and a superimposed square
MAYAN (RIGHT): Chakana symbols similar to those created by the Incas and pre-Incas of the Andes in Peru exist throughout Mayan art and architecture where they held the same religious meaning and served the same spiritual purpose. As in Bali, the Chakana takes the form of a stepped cross, with three steps on each side. It is made up of an equal-armed cross indicating the cardinal points of the compass and a superimposed square.

#11 – Third Eye Dot Between Eyes On Forehead

BALINESE (LEFT): The Balinese sculpted faces and wood carvings at left display the Third Eye dot in the forehead, symbolic of the ancient “Third Eye” explained in the religions, mythologies and spiritual systems of indigenous cultures around the world. The Third Eye is available to all of us and we can open it and use it to see the “inner soul,” which is who we really re (i.e., we are the soul, not the body). You can learn more about the Third Eye here.
MAYAN (RIGHT): Mayan stone faces at right display the Third Eye dot in the forehead, symbolic of the ancient “Third Eye” explained in the Mayan religion. You can learn more about the Third Eye here.

#12 – “Triptych” Three-Door Temples—With Accent On Center Door

BALINESE (LEFT): The Triptych three-in-one temple is common throughout Bali, visible on countless temples all over the island. The Triptych pattern relates the central teaching of the indigenous Balinese religion, which is related to the Third Eye. You can learn more about this religion symbolized by the Triptych here.
MAYAN (RIGHT): The Triptych three-in-one temple is common throughout Mexico, visible on countless Mayan, Aztec and other cultural temples all over the Yucatan. The Triptych pattern relates the central teaching of the indigenous Mayan religion, and pre-Columbian religion in general. You can learn more about this religion symbolized by the Triptych here.

Why Scholars Fail To Study The Parallels

These are 12 major parallels still visible in the ruins of the ancient Balinese and ancient Mayan cultures—twin civilizations that developed on opposite sides of the Pacific Ocean who scholars say were never in contact and who scholars believe developed independently of each other. The parallels shared here point to a far different story than scholars tell. The evidence indicates a much deeper relationship shared by the ancient Balinese and ancient Mayans.
Yet establishment scholars are completely ignoring these parallels, not out of spite or because they are purposely trying to cover something up; but because they are being controlled to do so in a way so subtle that even they themselves aren’t unaware of it.
These scholars—mainstream historians and archaeologists—are fundamentally honest and hard-working people who perform the extraordinarily laborious task of unearthing artifacts from our ancient past. When they say “there’s no mystery in the past” and “hyperdiffusionism is an outdated model of history” it seems clear that they themselves genuinely believe it; they’re not trying to deceive the public in any way.
The problem is that they are locked into a particular paradigm that sees our society as the apex and pinnacle of the human story. They view history as a straightforward evolutionary process that went from primitive cavemen through a gradual development into agriculture and then down into the Greeks, Romans, the Middle Ages, and finally the Enlightenment and beginning of Science, all ending with our highly technological civilization of today, which in their minds is the “supreme” one.
They are 100% locked into this “evolutionary” idea of how history works, and so it’s very difficult for them to accept that deep in the remote past there existed a civilization or Golden Age that was even higher than we are, and that was able to do things that we cannot. This is the lens through which they view reality, and so they dismiss any anomalous evidence or find plausible explanations for any evidence that does not jive with this reality.
Moreover, being a “scholar” or an “academic” is a job, a profession, which is part of a larger structure. If you want to get a job as a “scholar” or “academic” you absolutely need to buy into its mindset; buy into the paradigm. If you don’t buy in then you simply won’t get hired, and you won’t climb the ladder and move up. Thinkers and researchers who might have wilder or different or more extra ordinary ideas of the past are thus weeded out so that the ones who are left are those who have bought into the existing paradigm.
Thus, no scholar dares challenge the “established” model against hyperdiffusionism, that is, if he or she wishes to get published or win research grants or move along in the profession. This is the simple way in which research into the human past is being controlled by forces we can’t see and most of us don’t understand.

In Conclusion

This is a very brief look at highlights of the parallels common to two ancient civilizations separated by the Pacific ocean. Like a jig-saw puzzle, the missing pieces of these twin cultures separated by the Pacific Ocean can be put together to reveal a common ancestry.
Scholars of the 18th, 19th and early 20th century believed they understood this ancestry. According to their research, in the dimness of remote Antiquity, in an age so prehistoric it is now lost to time and memory, there once existed a spiritually-advanced “Golden Age” civilization which far surpassed our own modern society culturally and spiritually. The world’s first cultures were all children of this Golden Age “Mother Culture,” and we can still see traces of it today in the many similarities shared by those civilizations that we understand to be the world’s first cultures.
The trouble is, if you mention this Golden Age culture to scholars by using the words “hyperdiffusion,” “Atlantis” or “Lost Civilization,” then not only have you lost their ear, but you’ve lost the ear of most people who hinge on every word the academics say (without thinking for themselves). Hyperdiffusionism is bubkis; that’s the academic line, and if you don’t tow it you’re through.
Richard Cassaro is the author of the groundbreaking new book Written In Stone: Decoding The Secret Masonic Religion Hidden In Gothic Cathedrals & World Architecture:

Richard Cassaro is a journalist, speaker and author of "Written In Stone: Decoding The Secret Masonic Religion Hidden In Gothic Cathedrals And World Architecture." The book uncovers a lost Wisdom Tradition that was practiced globally in antiquity, found memorialized in pyramids, Triptychs, and identical images worldwide. The central tenets of this tradition have been perpetuated in Western Secret Societies. The most visible of these is the so-called "Masonic Fraternity," an age-old chivalric Order whose ranks have included Europe's Gothic cathedral builders and America's Founding Fathers. Richard has two websites: and

Wednesday, May 16, 2012

More Linguistic Links

[There are a couple of things to bear in mind with this: the "Atlanteans" in this instance are indeed identical to the "Peoples of the Sea" which invaded the Eastern Mediterranean at the end of the Western Megalithic age: they are conventionally called Tartessians and they formed a trade league along the Atlantic. Their culture has been called the Atlantic Bronze Age, although the remains of other Bronze age peoples are better known. That these languages shared vocabulary between the different peoples does not mean that the languages themselves were the same or even very similar-only that some words were shared between peoples. The trade languages were probably Pidgins as they were in analogous situations of more recent times. The "Peoples of the Sea" apparantly did see themselves as the heirs to the older Atlantis and hence that they had a shared heritage and ethnic identity: they also shared religious beiefs down to mere superstitions, fairy tales, ritualized insults and dirty jokes, all of which came to the attention to later scholars. And what is called "Minoan" here is more properly called "Peasgian": the actual Minoans came later and the term more properly refers to the Mykenian-Greek occupation AFTER the fall of what is generally called "Minoan" culture. Since the mistake is common throughout most of the literature it is at least understandible. The Tartessians are indeed known to have corcumnavigated Africa and broght back "Gold and Ivory, Apes and Peacocks" in India, and left behind the inclination to build megalithic monuments as well as grafitti inscriptions in Iberian languages: and the indian Megalith-Builders are indeed known to have expanded eastwards as far as Japan and indefinitely out into the Pacific with the ancestors of the Polynesians. But not even all Iberian languages were the same language, and Basque is also not identical to old Iberian. Related but not the same, so that making statements of this sort are always rather chancy. There are also linguistic connections to the New World, and the Megalith-Builders of New England left their influence on the Algonquin linguistic family. - a statement of caution by  Dale D., not detracting from what is expressed below, but merely indicating that the situation is rather more complicated than it might seem at first]

Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Atlantean Language Remnants

An obvious consequence of a Minoan – Atlantean global sea trade and culture that prospered for at least 1500 years is that a trade language would exist and provide loan words to locales in which trade stations or factories were established.
It also can be suggested that Dravidian a major successor language of the Atlantean trade language.
Surprisingly we discover that the Ainu were sharply impacted as were also the Polynesians. Many more are now been recognized and will surely include the Cree and certain historic tribes in the Americas.
This item helps us map out the relationship between the Basque Language and the Dravidian Language.

As I have posted in the past, the North African littoral including Egypt was a major population base for the Atlantean world and easily extended north and south around Spain and North Africa.

This world was also developed before the advent of the horse warrior which ended stability and also explains rather clearly why the Atlanteans failed to introduce horses into the Americas. They were already paying a high price in terms of defense and it would have been easy to ensure that this did not happen in the Americas

This in fact eliminates a nagging question that had bothered me. An Atlantean civilization, and a civilization it was in which the natural currency was metal, operated by control of trade and some form of tribute system. It was progressing rather well in fact and it had created the alphabet by then which evolved over a millenia int the brillint Greek Solution which empowered the rise of Western civilization.

Speakers of The Atlantean Tongue

Friday, April 6, 2012

"The Turdetanians [Andalucians] are ranked as the wisest of the Iberians; and they make use of an alphabet, and possess records of their ancient history, poems, and laws written in verse that are six thousand years old, as they assert. And also the other Iberians use an alphabet, though not letters of one and the same character, for their speech is not one and the same, either." -- Strabo, Geography, Book III, Chapter 1, 1st century

"Palæolithic European man of the Miocene and Pliocene times was a pure Atlantean, as we have previously stated. The Basques are, of course, of a much later date than this, but their affinities, as here shown, go far to prove the original extraction of their remote ancestors. The 'mysterious' affinity between their tongue and that of the Dravidian races of India will be understood by those who have followed our outline of continental formations and shiftings." -- Helena P. Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine, 1888

"According to [F.N.] Finck [one of the greatest authorities on comparative philology], the lesser-known languages of the prehistoric inhabitants of the Mediterranean region are distantly related to ancient Basque, and we know that the oldest Italic aboriginal tribe was called Osci, identical with Ausci and Vascones. If we take these and all the foregoing facts into account, we begin to get a picture of a worldwide complex of linguistic relationships that transcend time and space. We can see Basque, an oddity among modern European languages, as the last relic of a prehistoric world language that was spoken on both sides of the Atlantic." -- Otto H. Muck, The Secret of Atlantis, 1954

"Can we find any solid reasons for believing that here, in the Basques, a relic of Atlantis has been preserved? The Basques themselves provide one: they still have a clear memory of Atlantis. Ernst von Salomon mentions this in his travel book Boche in Frankreich (Boche in France). In about the year 1930, he met a Basque smuggler with aquiline features who talked to him about his people. They were, said the Basque, the finest, proudest, and most independent race on Earth, the same today as in the time described by Titus. They still wore the same costumes, used the same knives, employed the same methods of tilling their fields. Nobody ever betrayed his kith and kin; all still spoke their own language, the oldest language in the world. Von Salomon continues, 'The Basques, he said, are the last relics of a more beautiful, freer, prouder world, long ago sunk below the sea together with Altantis, one of whose last remaining pillars was the Pyrenees, and the other the mountain of Morocco...'" -- Otto H. Muck, The Secret of Atlantis, 1954

Mainstream linguists, philologists, and historians, being ignorant of all classical scholarship and especially Plato, are puzzled by so-called "language isolates." Platonists not so much: DRAVIDIAN / BASQUE ASSOCIATION.

An ancient language form that originated in the North African area of our most ancient civilizations has been studied by Nyland (2001). He found that many words used to describe names of places and things on the Indian Subcontinent seem to be closely related to the ancient language, which is being called Saharan. It appears that the Basque language is a close relative to the original Saharan. …

We don't have to look far in India to recognize Basque-related names and words, such as: Himalaya, ima-alaia, imajina (image, scenery) alaia (pleasing): "Pleasing scenery."

Harappa, the famous 5000 year old city in Pakistan; harapa means "plundered" in Basque, from harapatu (to plunder), which therefore can hardly be considered the true name of the city.

Goa, abbreviated from goardia (to stand guard), referring to the town's defenses.

Bihar, from bi-iha-ar, ibi-iha-arro, ibildari (nomadic) iha'urri (to scatter, to roam) arro (proud): "Proud roaming nomads."

In the spoken language we find thousands of examples of words related to Basque, such as kut (in Malto) meaning "to burn", kutu (in Tamil) meaning "to be hot, to heat up", while kutxer (in Basque) means "frying pan" in which xer or xerra means "small steak" (in Basque the "x" is pronounced as "sh").

The Dravidian words ole (hearth, fireplace) and ola (inside) correspond exactly to Basque ola (cabin, hut). Being unable to read the different scripts in use by the Dravidian peoples, Edo Nyland used the transliterations and Basque translations provided by Dr. N. Lahovary in "Dravidian Origins and the West", published by Orient Longmans, Bombay, 1963. The page numbers in the following list refer to his book.

Page Dravidian English Basque English

164 ura wife urruxa female
165 irru (Ta) to bring forth errun to lay eggs
165 iru to be iruditu to resemble
165 il to be illi (Berber) to be
165 ul (Ta) to exist ulertu to understand
165 aru to give birth aur child
166 ali (Ma) woman ala girl
166 ir (Brahui) sister arre sister
167 kappu (Ka) meat kaba(l) domestic animal
167 odal (Te) body odol blood
167 biho heart bihotz heart
167 pala flesh opa offering
167 iracci (Ma) meat aragi meat
168 suri (S.Dr) to pour isuri to pour
168 ana (Ka) breath asnasa respiration
168 naru (S.Dr) odor narru skin
168 usir (Ka) breath usna smell
168 u-suru nose sur nose
169 sindu (Ka) bad smell sund-da stink
169 kuku (Malto) summit kukula summit, peak
170 buru (Te) something round bular/burar breast
171 karata (Ka) skull, coconut garaun skull brain
171 mula (Ma) brain muin brain
171 kara height garai high, prominent
171 bhala forehead belar (Zuber) forehead
172 gadda chin ganga mouth
172 ba (Ka) mouth abo mouth
174 begu (Ka) to spy behatu to observe
175 kan (Brahui) to know ikan to look
175 aks (S.Dr) sight ikus to see
175 vili eye igi eye
175 mugu (Ka) face musu face
175 muso (Malto) nose musu face
175 muti (Ka) face mutur snout
175 motu (Ta) stupidity mutur snout
175 mukka-ra(Te) nose-ring moko beak
176 musu (Ka) to smell mustur snout
176 ba (Ka) mouth abo mouth
177 appu (Ka) to embrace apa kiss
178 alasu (Ta) to rinse latsatu to wash
180 ele (Te) song ele story
180 gol (Ka) throat golo goiter
180 karai (Ta) to cry out garrasi shrill cry
181 kar-utti (Ma) neck garondo nape of the neck
182 kai (Tulu) hand uka hand
183 kurukh(C.Dr) to seize kargatu to load
183 kadi (S.Dr) to steal kaldar thief, scoundrel
184 adi (S.Dr) foot adar foot of chair
184 anga (Tel) stride anka foot
186 karu (Tu) leg garra (Navar) leg
188 ola (Ka) inside ola cabin, hut
189 bikku (S.Dr) heart bihotz heart
189 alku (Ta) vulva alu vulva
190 eru (Ka) dung errai dung
191 tottu (Ma) nipple titi nipple
191 borra (Te) potbelly zilbor navel
192 pal (Ka) milk galatz milk
192 putti (S.Dr) to be born puta womb
193 pukku (S.Dr) vulva puta womb
195 tshika (Tulu) small child txiki small
195 tkuri (S.Dr) short korro short
195 tkittu (S.Dr) small kuto small
196 iri (S.Dr) sick eri sick
196 kira (Gond) old man kira age
agura old man agure old man
197 ala (Ta) affliction aldia mental disorder
197 eriyu (Te) to grieve auri lamentation
197 karai (Ta) to cry out garrasi cry, scream
197 madi (Ta) death amata to kill
197 mara (Ka) death marrakari tearful
198 malagu (Ta) to perish malgu soft, weak
199 adu (S.Dr) age adin age
199 gasi (S.Dr) hunger gose hunger
199 manku (S.Dr) staggering mainku crippled, lame
199 ala (Ta) afflicted alusu feeble, weak
199 alasu (Ka) exhausted lazu weak man
200 elli (Te) night ilun darkness
200 lamba (S.Dr) to totter laban slippery, sliding
201 ema (Ta) mother, female ama mother
201 amma (Ka) female ama mother
201 pen (S.Dr) woman pena sorrow, grief
201 ali woman alaba daughter, native of...
201 al male ar male
202 unmu (Ka) birth ume child
202 maintu (Ta) love maita love
202 maru-vu (Ta) intimacy marruskatze fondling, pawing
202 appu (Ka) to embrace apatz to kiss
203 manju (S.Dr) amiable maina liking, pampering
203 iru (Ta) come into existence iruditu to appear
203 uru (Ta) to give birth aru (Berber) to be born
204 atta (Malto) grandfather aita father
204 apa (S.Dr) father ata father (child's)
204 ana (Ta) brother anai brother
204 asa (Kui) daughter aizpa sister
204 ari she arreba sister
205 ila (Ta) youth iloba niece
207 maran (Ta) bravery mardul robust, strong
207 marru enemy amarru cunning, shrewd
208 buti (Ka) man servant botoi man servant
210 burade (S.Dr) head buru head
210 bhuka opening bukatu to end
210 kara height garai high
210 gubbi (Ka) hump gupi deformed spine
210 kerki (Tulu) throat gurka throat
210 suri (S.Dr) to pour isuri to pour
210 khala thief kaldar thief
210 kiram (Ta) old kira period of time
210 konku curved makur roundness
210 in (Brahui) to say min tongue
210 pura (Malto) belly para belly
358 ari rock arri rock
359 kabi cave, hollow kabia nest, hollow
360 kam something round kamuts blunt
360 kuku summit, peak kukula summit, peak
360 men (Ma) mound, hillock mendi mountain
360 murru wall, quarry murru wall
361 padu village padur etxe lake dwelling
361 turu hill, mound torre tower
361 mugul (Ka) flower bud mugil flower bud
362 bar (Ka) stream, to flow ibar river valley
362 ala (Te) wave, surge olatu wave
362 garo (Kui) deep hollow,dig goratu to raise, to carry up
362 tura-i stream, ond iturri source of water
362 sala (Ka) to enter salazar country house
363 kara (Ta) to wash garastatu to sprinkle, to water
363 pani (Ta) rain panin (Zuber) water


The well-known Basque linguist A. Tovar followed this method to measure the degree of kinship of Basque with other languages of non-Indo-European origin. The closest relationship he found was with Berber (11%) followed by Circaskian/Kirrukaskan (7.5%), Coptic (6.5%), Arabic (3.25%). Then he asked Dr. Lahovary to try this method on Dravidian, with the astounding result of 50+%. This meant that, of all the languages tested so far, the Dravidian language was closest to Basque by far. However, the ease with which Edo Nyland assembled the long list of related Basque-Ainu words, makes it likely that Ainu could even be closer to early Basque than Dravidian. A student of Lexico-Statistical Method should test this possibility.


In his book, Linguistic Archaeology, Edo Nyland compared the Dravidian language with that of Guanche. He stated that, “Guanche is the name of the language which was spoken by the native population of the Canary Islands until the Spaniards came and massacred a large number of the inhabitants around 1,500 A.D. Mr. Arysio Nunes dos Santos discovered a relationship between Guanche and Dravidian, similar to what the eminent linguist Dr. N. Lahovary had described between Basque and Dravidian in his book: “Dravidian Origins and the West. What we are likely dealing with in these languages is remnants of the original language spoken in the Neolithic Sahara. This happened at the time of the disastrous desertification of that part of the world (see Climate), which had scattered the population to almost all ocean shores of the earth. That original language is not the same, of course, as the Basque spoken today, but a much earlier form of it, without the invented, formulaically enhanced VCV vocabulary added in. “

Nyland also noted that a few linguists have identified a large number of languages which also belong to this group: Numidian, Tuareg, Western Berber (Zenaga), Northern Berber (Tamahac), Southern Berber (Tamazheq), Eastern Berber (Siwa, Awjila-Sokna, Ghadames), Atlas (Shilha, Tamazight), Kabyle, Zenati (19 dialects) several of them still spoken. To this Neolithic group must also be added the large group of Dravidian languages spoken in India by some 160 million people, the Ainu language of Northern Japan with 17,000 speakers and Ancient Egyptian (extinct), including Coptic, which is still spoken as a liturgical language. Even the Polynesian languages seem to fit in this group.

Nyland found that Arysio Nunes collected as many Guanche words as possible and then compared them with Dravidian. Dravidian equivalents were obtained from “A Dravidian Etymological Dictionary” by T. Burrows and M.B. Emeneau (Oxford 1984). Arysio added that one should pay attention to the phonetic correspondences only, disregarding the actual spelling, because of the Dravidian alphabet being different from the Roman one adopted for the Guanche language. It must be assumed that he did his work well, because Nyland was unable to verify it.

Nyland continued that “A similar Guanche-Basque list could easily be made, e.g. achimencey (king’s relative) relates to atxikidura (family relation), achaman (heaven) comes close to akabu (death, supreme), ara (goat) and Basque aragi (meat), kara (goat) and Basque kara (in heat), Arautapola (capital of the Taoro kingdom) and Basque arautu (to legislate) etc. It looks to me like Guanche is derived from the original, unmanipulated Saharan language, just like Basque, Berber, Tuareg and Ainu.”

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Labels: Atlantis, Basque, Dravidian

Thursday, May 10, 2012

Giant Warrior Strain Continues to Present Day

I was in the middle of two or three other things and then this matter came up again, but this time I had a more complete statement on the matter. One of my Friends on Facebook just shared this photo reproduced below, and with the following caption-

"Hey found bigfoot in Russian Parliament, this photo confirms coned head, distinct brow ridge, long upper lip, hooded nose, high shoulders, sloped back, bipedalism LOL his name is Nikolai Valuev a former heavyweight boxer hes 7 ft tall and is now a member of Russian parliament"

Opening of Article: If being the tallest and heaviest heavyweight champion in history at 7 feet and 325 pounds, respectively, were not enough to bring attention to undefeated Nikolai Valuev, one need only imagine the looks of disbelief from boxing experts and novices alike when the Russian giant enters the ring not by the customary process of stepping through the ropes; he steps over them. These and many other anomalies are par for the course for this native of St. Petersburg, who has charted an unlikely course to become World Boxing Association champion.

He was born during the depths of the Cold War on Aug. 21, 1973, to parents who both stood only 5 feet 5 inches tall. The explanation for his immense size comes from his grandmother. She spoke of an Asiatic tribe called the Tartars (derived from Tarturus, the Greek god of the underworld), who had once conquered Russia and spread terror throughout most of Europe. She said her grandfather was "a giant of a man called Vasily," and a direct descendant of this warrior race. Nikolai was the product of this gene pool...

Actually "Tartars" (and in Germany, "Huns") refers primarily to the Asiatic nomad horsemen of about the Clasical age (Greece and Rome) BUT both names are also used to mean "Giant Warriors" and are translatable to the Scandinavian term "Iotun" (Giant) as direct replacements of one another: simlarly the Siberian Snowmen are commonly known by the term "Tungus" ordinarily assumed to mean the local Siberian population of "Tartars"

Nikolay Valuev says “I am not a machine; I am not a piece of meat; I am not a circus show. I am a normal human being. I have human feelings. I have a beautiful family. I have many friends. I like good music, classical music. I read books. People sometimes do not treat me like a human being because of my size. They make a sensation. I try not to take it personally because they do not know me as a person, but there are times when it hurts me inside.”

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There is really nothing unusual about Nikolai, he is a continuation of the Giant Warriors of the past and he is a present-day survivor of a type recognised to Physical Anthropolgy and mentioned here before. Skulls of the exact type are known from many places in Europe and they have been known for a long time: I have mentioned the matter before in my postings about "Half-Ogres" and "Half -Trolls" and one of the more famous of these skulls is illustrated below in  illustrations from the 1800s

There is a lot of talk about this type and related types on the message boards that delight in classifying Europeans into any number of distinctive races or subraces, and mostly following Carleton Coon in The Races of Europe. I myself do not see the need to consider the differences to be "Racial" in nature but it is useful to see what Coon has said about the strain which can be recognised in Physical Anthropology and Archaeology:

 Aboriginal Northwest European subraces (The descendants of the first peoples to settle in northwest Europe, who retreated to refuge areas in southern France and northern Spain during the Last Glacial Maximum of 20,000-15,000 years ago [18,000-13,000 B.C.], and then re-expanded northward along the coasts of the Atlantic and the North Sea during the final phase of the Upper Paleolithic period circa 15,000-10,000 years ago [13,000-8,000 B.C.])
1.) Borreby subrace (named after Danish island site where paleolithic remains were found; principal element in Denmark, southwest coast of Sweden, northern Germany, the Rhineland and the Ruhr, majority element in Wallonia)
2.) Brünn subrace (named after paleolithic site near Brno, or Brünn, Czech Republic; predominant element in Western Ireland)
3) Mixed or blended subtypes: A.) Anglo-Saxon or Old Germanic Reihengräber type (Nordic- Brünn blend; predominant element in the Dutch province of Friesland (Frisia) and the Dutch and German Frisian Islands, common in southeast England and northwest Germany)
B.) Trønder type (Brünn-Nordic blend; predominant element in Trøndelagen area of western Norway [whence the name] and Iceland, common in northeast England and Scotland)
C.) Fälish, Dalofalid or Dalo-Nordic type (Nordic-Borreby blend; names from Fälen [German for "plain"] and Dalarna region of Sweden (Kopparberg); primary element on the north German plain, Jutland and the Swedish province of Kopparberg) D.) East Baltic type (northeast periphery blend of Borreby and/or Fälish with Neo-Danubian and/or Ladogan; majority element in Finland and the Baltic States, formerly predominant in Old Prussia, but this element now dispersed throughout Germany and Eastern Europe as a result of the expulsion of the Prussian population from its ancestral homeland)
This is probably splitting hairs over diversified but related lineages and the names given to such populations are probably unnecessary to remember. The point is that the Brunn/Borreby populations are said by Coon to be residual CroMagnon/Neanderthal crosses, they are unusually tall and muscular, and many of the "Strong Men" of Europe derive from this type. Some of the modern decendants are not so large, and the stereotyped "Irish" caricatures are showing what Coon says are features derived from these Upper paleolithic mixed types (at the same time, other authors most strnuously object to the type being called CroMagnon, as it commonly is, and R. Cedric Leonard points out that there are distinctive eastern and Western European Upper Paleolithic populations-the Brunn populations he would say were of the Eastern sort but the Western ones are the ones he would call CroMagnon (per se)

Some of the families of Giant Warriors show more exaggerated Neanderthal-like features and there is evidence for stronger and more recent Neanderthal admixture, and the traits do definitely run in families (Once again, as in the earlier "Berserker" warrior blog entries) and Boris Porshnev mentioned the mixed types in his discussion on Surviving Neanderthals.  And so whether Nikolai gains Neanderthaloid genes from  very ancient or a more recent crossing with more typical modern men, he comes by his heritage honestly.

And it is also not unusual that he has a beautiful wife: the same population of Brunn/Borreby types consistently produces females that are thought to be exceptionally beautiful by most people, having round faces with strong cheekbones, large eyes and curvy bodies with large breasts. Marilyn Monroe is out of this population, so is Mauneen O'Hara and so is Anita Ekberg. So it seems that the Warrior Giants of old incorporated into their families the genes of exceptionally beautiful women that they had mated with in the past. Rather like the Biblical Nephilim before them.

Anita Ekberg

Monday, May 7, 2012

Guest Blogger Jayasree: Geography, geo-dynamics and Peoples in Puranas what Valdiya knows, Witzel doesnt know!

Tuesday, April 24, 2012: Non-Random Thoughts

Geography, geo-dynamics and Peoples in Puranas what Valdiya knows, Witzel doesnt know!

Another revelation that Puranas have mirrored the real history of the past in diverse angles has been brought out by Prof KS Valdiya in his recent book. Dr S Kalyanaraman's review of this book is provided at the end of this post. Before reading that let us have an entertaining piece from Dr Witzel. In his post in a yahoo group (reproduced below), he has derided Prof Valdiya's book and also ridiculed the 'link' between Buddhism and Indus civilization. Perhaps he is not aware of the Indus proof on Yogic meditation – a core concept of Hindu Dharma which Buddha practiced but later developed as a separate religion by his followers.

Given below is the image found in Mohanjadaro. A man is in a seated position with his left palm kept upwards and resting on the left lap and the right palm resting on the right lap with fingers stretched down.

The description in the above link just hovers around the head, the probable hair style and the dress of the figure. The writers could not think beyond that. Perhaps they also belong to the categories of Witzel-likes, and reject what Hinduism says as imagination. They do not seem to have any interest in knowing why a man should be seated in such a position and that it had to be carved by Indus artists. If they care to look for this posture, they would know that this is the penultimate posture for a Yogi engaged in Kundalini Yoga. This posture is called as Bhumi Sparsa mudra where the Yogi who has reached the "Enlightened" state, calls on the Mother Earth (Bhumi) to witness the enlightened state of the Yogi. The Yogi directs his right hand towards the earth while his left hand shows that he has gone up to the enlightened realm. Gauthama Buddha attained this level which is depicted in many places like the following.

Certainly Buddha's time comes much later than the Indus period. But a similar looking posture of the enlightened Buddha which is nothing but the penultimate posture in Kundalini Yoga, to be found in Mohanjadaro undisputedly shows that Hinduism with its Yogic culture was in existence in the Indus site at that time itself.

Yet another proof of this is the much talked about "Pasupathi" which in fact was the state of attainment of Lalana Chakra in Kundalini Yoga whereby the Yogi attains the capability as 'tri-kaala jnani' – the one who knows past, present and future.

This is the Indus figure of "Pasupathi"

The 3 faces shown in this happens on attainment of Lalana chakra (Knower of 3 phases of Time) which lies above Ajna and below Sahasra Chakra.

The sitting posture in these figures is known as Siddhasana the posture of the Siddhas who are engaged in raising Kundalini. For comparison see the picture given below.

This posture is Siddhasana where one heel is brought to the groin and the other heel is placed over the other. The same posture is Siddhasana is seen in Indus tablet.

Another proof that this pose is a sure case of Kundalini Yoga is known from the exaggerated Muladhara source, shown by the arrow mark in the above figure.

Muladhara and other chakras are shown in the picture below.

The garuda and snake in the above figure is the simplistic depiction of kundalini (compared to a snake in Yogic parlance and also because it represents the Sesha, the jeevatma) rising up only to fly as a free and strong bird. The people outside Bharat had borrowed this figure without knowing the meaning of it.

When Lalana chakra is attained which lies just below the crown, the Bheejakshara of OM occurs to the Yogi.


The travel of the Kundali shakthi from Muladhra to the Crown shows that the stage is ready for Release. The Muladhara chakra in Hindu Yantra shows Vigneswara – the figure of OM, having the Sanskrit letter OM flashing out of his head. This can be seen in the Muladhara Yantra given below.

We can see the letter OM depicted on the head of Lord Vigneswara in this Yantra worshiped in India.

This figure of OM is seen depicted in the head of the Indus Yogi as follows.

The depiction of the horn like feature above the head of the Yogi in the Indus figure is indeed the attainment of Lalana chakra.

Further up, when he attains sahsara chakra, he is said to have attained the ultimate Enlightenment. It is depicted as the growing of the Asvattha tree.

Finer details of the attainment in the form of Asvattha is also depicted in Indus tablets as follows.

The Unicorn figures in the above picture stands for Dharma  a depiction of Varaha. Varaha, the single horned Boar (Eka shringi) stands for Dharma according the narration in Mahabharata. For Witzel it could be an imagination, but the Indus features contain the image of this imagination! When the yogi attains this state he himself becomes the symbol of Dharma which is what Buddha became. The Dharma or Dhamma is represented as a chakra  the same chakra that is seen in the seals of Unicorn (Varaha)

Chakra with Asvattha.

Varaha yantra too has the chakra in the middle. It is shown below.

What I have shown here is just one idea. There are several others which can be known if the researcher knows the Hindu texts. The Indus culture cannot be understood without accepting the underlying culture as Vedic / Hindu.

- Jayasree


From Indo-Eurasian Reserach Yahoo group mail:-

another weekend: Valdiya on Puranas & Indus and the Buddha

Posted by: "Michael Witzel" witzel_michael

Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:01 pm (PDT)

Dear All,

unfortunately, we can easily point out something like the following each weekend. No end to the imaginary histories of ancient India.

S.K. Valdiya,
Geography, Peoples, and Geodynamics of India in Puranas and Epics".
New Delhi: Aryan Books 2012
(Rupees 500). pp. xxxii + 244

In this book the well-known geologist equates the holocene with the "Chaturyuga" eons of the Epics and Puranas, that can, at best, be dated around 2000 years ago. No matter: the authors of these texts "were quite knowledgeable about the origin, evolution and progression of life, including the coming of man, the interiror of the earth," etc. etc. etc.

Of course, India or the subcontinent are equated with "Bharatvarsha" (with North Indian mispelling, as for other terms throughout this book). And: "it seems that the [imagined "author' of the Mahabharata Epic and all Puranas...] Krishna Dvaipāyan Vyas wrote most of the Puran volumes sometime after [the god] Krishna left Mathura and before the great civil war….[that] happened 3500 years ago."

Unlike his many scientific publications, he has no problem here to separate the Sciences from the largely imaginary religious texts. Just like in his earlier book on the Sarasvati River, some ten years ago.


To top it off,
a "link" has now been established by one Daniel Salas between earliest Tibetan Buddhism (Padmasambhava) and the Indus civilization. Not to forget the fake birch bark pages (at Kabul), discussed (negatively) by Lucy Zuberbuehler in her undergraduate thesis at Bern U.

Here his links:
See: <Kabul Artifact and the 8Th Buddhist Padmasambhava>
Padmasambhava was born into a Brahmin family of the Indus Valley and raised by one of the 8Th century Shahis of Kabul / Ghandara.


below a link to Kabul artifact





by Dr S Kalyanaraman.

Geography, Peoples and Geodynamics of India in Puranas and Epics - KS Valdiya (2012).

A tour de force on Indian history.
Geography, Peoples and Geodynamics of India in Puranas and Epics - KS Valdiya (2012), New Delhi, Aryan Books International, ISBN 978-81-7305-431-0 A brilliant book with insights provided by an eminent geologist, Prof. KS Valdiya is a must read by every child on the globe. I can do no better than Prof. Shivaji Singh's foreword to the book from which the following excerpt is provided: "Various factors sum up to make a study valuable and expedient. The reach and scope of the topic selected, the significance of the primary data used, the propriety of the line of approach followed, the sobriety of the inferences drawn and conclusions arrived at, and above all, the competence of the scholar to do justice to his subject are, admittedly, the most potent ones among them.

And, I have no hesitation in stating that this book, authored by KS Valdiya, is worthwhile on all these counts...As a well-informed geo-scientist of the 21st century, Prof. Valdiya is fully aware of the nature of networking between and among various natural subsystems, geomorphology, climate, flora and fauna and its bearing on human habitat...The present study collects and reproduces several epic and Puranic descriptions that clearly indicate tectonic movements, such as the sudden uplift of Vindhya Giri at the occasion of age Agastya's journey towards South India or the abrupt sinking into sea of Dwaraka soon after Lord Krishna's death. What is the most noteworthy point in this context is that this study authenticates these episodes on the basis of modern earth-scientific evidence. This indicates that these descriptions are not spurious, as suspected by many, but based on real happenings...

The identification of Epic-Puranic mega-island Jambudveepa and its various constituent lands, called 'varshas', is masterly and trustworthy. It may be noted that except for one of these varshas, namely, Bharatavarsha or the land of Bharatas (which was the India of pre-partition times), the exact location of others was almost unknown so far...Some of the inferences drawn and conclusions arrived at in this study are extremely thought-provoking and truly seminal. For instance, it is demonstrated authoritatively that Purana scholars' conception on the origin, evolution and progression of life -- including he coming of man -- is compatible with modern palaeontologists' deductions based on fossil rcords...almost all the Jyotirlingas...are located in places characterized by very spectacular, unique landforms and extraordinary geological featurees shaped by uncommon earth processes...evidence on the basis of comprehensive geological and bathymetric investigations backed by by tell-tale satellite picture has been adduced to show that it would not have been much difficult to build a bridge of sorts to link Rameshwaram with Lanka...

Needless to say, these findings amply testify to the authenticity of the Epic-Puranic descriptios. The last one,it may be noted en passant, has even a far reaching implication for the highly debated issue of the original homeland of the early Aryans. Interestingly, the author has equated the 12,000-year-long Chaturyuga (Krita, Treta, Dwapara and Kali) with geologists' Holocene epich, which is the 11,000-year-long period of social and cultural development of humans." Prof. Valdiya's insightful presentation has been exquisitely presented in mellifluent prose embellished with colourful satellite and other images and maps. This is a book which will be debated and deliberated upon for a long time to come among scholars and academics engaged in civilizational studies. It may even change the views of those who hang on to the relic of Aryan invasion/migration/trickle-in models to describe the peopling of early India and make them agree to an indigenous, autochthonous evolution of the present-day Bharatiyas who have constituted an Indian sprachbund (language union).

The book is a challenge to explorers to rewrite the true history of Bharatavarsha, the nation of Bharatam janam mentioned by Rishi Viswamitra in the Rigveda. The comprehensive geological view of the Puranas and Epics can be seen from the Table of Contents of the splendid book:

1. Purans: the ancient history

2. Geography of modern India and changes of landforms with time

3. Puranland: position and extent

4. Mountains of Bharatvarsh

5. Rivers of Bharatvarsh

6. Flora and fauna of Bharatvarsh

7. Peoples of the Puranland

8.Teerths and holy shrines

9. Ashrams and Purs

10. Tectonic movements and natural hazards Manifestaton of tectonic movements Uplift of Vindhya Giri Sinking of Western coastal tract Earthquakes and tsunamis Rivers changed courses Climate changes Concept of Pralaya

11. Understanding of geology and knowledge of engineering Scholars' grasp of sciences Nature of earth's interior Evolution of life Progression of life Anthropo-social development of humans Natural gases, mineral, metals and metallurgy Engineering of bridge building Town planning Knowledge of aerodynamics

12. Long summary of the book References Index Kalyanaraman

Posted by jayasree at 2:48 PM


Anonymous said...

Also, here is a good one connecting the Harappan Unicorn to Vedic philosophy...

April 28, 2012 7:00 PM

jayasree said...


There are many articles on Unicorn of the Indus written by me in English and Tamil. Please check these links for articles in English:

Unicorn in Indus seals:-

Rushya Shrunga - the sage with horn on his head:-

Symbolism of Unicorn:-

Tamil articles:-

Varaha (Eka shrungi/ single horned) in Mohanjedaro:-

How Hindu concept of unicorn was adopted by Christianity:-

How to interpret Unicorn in Mohanjedaro:-

April 28, 2012 7:51 PM

Bala said...

We can see the letter OM depicted on the head of Lord Vigneswara in this Yantra worshiped in India.

Mam, I think I think the letter might be "Lum" as it is the mantra for mooladhara chakra denoting pancha thatthuva dhyanam

Lum- Mooladhara

May 4, 2012 10:40 AM

jayasree said...

Dear Mr Bala,

This image is Muladhara chakra. OM is the Muladhara mantra. The form of Ganesha itself is Omkar. (Omkara swaroopa / Pranava swaroopa). Therefore it is apt to say that the image on top of Ganesha is Om or is the depiction of realization of Omkara tattva.

May 4, 2012 12:23 PM