Deluge of Atlantis

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Sunday, January 8, 2012

Voyages of the Pyramid-Builders

Description given by the author, Robert Schoch:

Voyages of the Pyramid Builders:

Voyages of the Pyramid Builders discusses pyramids around the globe, using this as an entrĂ©e to discuss the issue of transoceanic contact in ancient (pre-Columbian) times. After critically analyzing the evidence, I have come to the conclusion that there was contact across both the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans in ancient times. In Voyages I also discuss the impacts and close flybys of comets in historic and prehistoric times that may have affected early civilizations and perhaps spurred long-range migrations. I also discuss the end of the last Ice Age, the rising sea levels at that time, and the origins of civilization. Voyages includes an appendix titled “Redating the Great Sphinx of Giza.”

And basically all of that is OK by me.Here is a download link for the book:

And here is some information from Wikipedia:

Robert M. Schoch is an associate professor of Natural Science at the College of General Studies, a 2 year non-degree granting unit of Boston University. He received his Ph.D. in geology and geophysics from Yale in 1983, and is best known for his argument that the Great Sphinx of Giza is much older than conventionally thought and that possibly some kind of catastrophe has wiped out other evidence of a significantly older civilization. In 1991, Schoch redated the famous monument to 7000–5000 BC, based on his assertion that its erosion was due mainly to the effects of water, rather than wind and sand, and also based on seismic studies around the base of the Sphinx and elsewhere on the plateau.[7000-5000BC being the latest possible date of erosion, the structure must predate that-DD]
Schoch's other theories include the belief that possibly all pyramids — in Egypt, Mesoamerica and elsewhere — represent (in the sense that the general concept of pyramids is inherited, along with many other cultural commonalities) a much older global culture, or at least that there was cultural contact around the world in ancient times. He is also known for his research on the Yonaguni underwater "monuments," where he has dived on several occasions, beginning in 1997; his analysis of the formations is that it is a natural site modified by man to suit their needs. He has said that "We should also consider the possibility that the Yonaguni Monument is fundamentally a natural structure that was utilized, enhanced, and modified by humans in ancient times."[1]
In 1993, Schoch lent his name to a genus of extinct mammals, Schochia, of which Schochia sullivani is the genoholotype.[2]
In 2006, Schoch investigated the so-called Bosnian pyramid excavations, at the invitation of the locals. He concluded "absolutely no evidence of pyramids per se or of a great ancient civilization in the Visoko region." [3]
Besides his work on ancient monuments and cultures, Schoch is interested in environmental issues (he is co-author of the college textbook Environmental Science: Systems and Solutions) and he is involved in the study of parapsychology.

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-Basically the theory behind Voyages of the Pyramid Builders is that the Pyramids (or the idea of pyramids) developed on Sundaland in the Pleistocene and Sundaland housed a global culture. [one reviewer emphasized "NOT ATLANTIS, NOT SUNKEN"] well, unfortunately my reading of the evidence is that we are stll talking the origin of Pyramids on Atlantis, not Sundaland (the tradtional idea since Donnelly) and while I am here I should say that any Pleistocene land area now under water is "Sunken" now. My research indicates the Sundalanders did not build pyramids and in fact they built structures of tropical woods and laterite mudbrick-which might have been nice to look upon at one time but they have entirely melted away without a trace by our time. Sundalanders did not build megaliths and they did not build pyramids. On the other hand, the Megalithic culture (including pyramids) is usually given as one of the better indicators for Atlantis before them. And pyramids HAVE been found sunken at the sea-bottom near the Azores by sonar soundings according to Berlitz, but they have not been attributed to any area near sunken Sundaland!
Fullsized Replica of Ra2
The point is that there is not just one type of thing that is called a Pyramid. There are basically two things:burial mounds and stepped pyramid temples, or ziggurats. The Egyptian pyramids are basically elaborate burial mounds and their original is the form of low mound called a Mastabah. The Ziggurats are typical of Mesopotamia and have external stairways and temples situated on top. It seems that the pyramids of Atlantis were of both types, and in that case the temple pyramids developed as shrines to the dead, in particular perpetual shrines to the deceased kings at the main city described by Plato. It would seem that this took place in the main temple of Atlantis, the temple to Poseidon and Cleito, and that deceased monarchs were interred there more or less as in the case of important English citizens being interred at Westminster Abbey. The sunken Pyramids of the Atlantic (Connected by a red line on the map below) would have been early Ziggurats that incoporated royal burials and perpetual ancestor-worship temples for them. These pyramids would have been spread on either side of the Atlantic in the same way as hypothesized by Thor Heyerdahl in his Ra and Ra 2 voyages, and we can easily imagine that the early Atlanteans went out in reed boats that were copied in both Africa and South America. And that this was at the same time as the Sphynx at Giza was carved. (not the time that the stone facing was put up on it later)

Thor Heyerdahl included in his Ra and Ra 2 Evidence the fact that pyramids had been discovered on the Canary Islands, a discovery he had a hand in. This is one of the half-dozen remaining pyramids at Guimar on the big island of Tenerife in the Canary Islands, off the NW coast of Africa. It may belong to the very old terraced-pyramid tradition also represented by Cuicuilco, below.These all seem to be broad low staged structures with Kivas (Circular pits and not "Houses") at the top
The more usual pyramids which were included in the Megalithic culture were burial mounds, either of earth or of stone (cairns). These are shown on the map below as connected by orange lines, and another sepatrate line gone across Central Asia separately to end up in Korea in fairly recent times (going from West to East on the yellow line stars out at about 2500 BC for mounds on the West end and 500 AD for mounds on the East end, typically). In the Mayan lands and in Egypt, there is evidence for the combination of burial mounds with ziggurat temples. However in Egypt, pyramids werre made and used almost exclusively as tombs and thus belong to the burial-mound tradition. Burial mounds often contained stone-lined burial chambers which could be concealed and sealed boxes, or could be larger and more elaborate with passageways to them.
A secondary chain of orange-linked burial mounds is indicated in South Asia for the tradition of Stupas and burial Megaliths in those areas, and these are presumably derived from the West also since they are likewise of later dates. Megaliths in Southern India (and also in Africa and America, it seems) were being used during the days of the Roman Empire.

Remains of Indus Valley Civ Ziggurat at Mohenjo-Daro
The more important part in adressing the set of pyramids which Schoch was ascribing to Sundaland starts separately out of the Mesopotamian ziggurats and then continues to India. I am fairly convinced that this line (in blue) separately crossed the Pacific to introduce the specifically Eastern type of pyramid to the Americas. With the old-Atlantic pyramids there is one outstandingly old pyramid in Mexico, the Cuicuilco pyramid mentioned by Hapgood as a possible relic of the Ancient Sea Kings civilisation (However that opinion rests on some already-questioned radiocarbon dates which go as far back as 6000 BC. This rates an appendix in Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings)

In Peru this could include possibly the pyramid at Tiahuanaco (also resting on some indefinite dates). However, beginning with the Olmecs, the more usual temple mounds started to be built, and therefore in a culture already suspected to have Indian connections. By this time also, Mayan pyramids had started but in this case also, they were low mounds like mastabahs rather than really pyramids (since 2500-3000 BC)
Olmec Pyrmid Mound at La Venta and Egyptian Mastabahs below that.

It seems that after the Mesoamerican Ziggurats were well-established and with a long history, they reached out and influenced other areas. Hence the Mississippian or Temple mound peiod was an offshoot of the Mesamericans (For which see especially the last installment on the Mayas and Mississippians, the Mound temples were really much like the Mayan ones, down to the shape of the little buildings on top and the way the mounds were constructed) BUT it also seems the Mayan styles of pyramid decoration reached back across the Pacific (green lines) and influenced the building of pyramids at Angkor Wat and in Indonesia, at a LATER period than the Mayas were actually making pyramids themselves!

Several older authorities were quite taken by siliarities between pyramidal archecteture and decoration on both sides of the Pacific, in Mesoamerica on the one hand and then again in Angkor  and Indonesia in South and Southeast Asia, what are called the Hindu-Buddhist cultures. The similarities not only include the layout with pyramids around cantral Plaza, they also include any number of specific details such as walled galleries, the geometric decorations called "Grecas" because they look like Greek-Geometric pottrery designs, orientation to the four cardinal points and occasional round/cylindrical pyramids, ceremonial lanes with similar names such as "the road of the Ancestors" and The "Road of the Dead", Gargoyle-like human dwarf and demon figures and especially the stairways marked on both sides by the sculptures of mythical serpents. And yet, as L. Sprague deCamp notes in connection to the matter, The Mayan versions of these traits cannot have been borrowed from those in India and Southern Asia, simply because the Mayan versions of the pyramids and plazas are the older ones!

To quote Dr. William H. Holmes, former Chief Exectutive of the Bureau of American Ethnology, Smithsonian Institution:
Even more diversified and remarkable are the correspondences between the archetectural and sculptural remains in Middle America [Mesoamerica] and those of Southeastern Asia. In both region the chief structures of the cities are pyramids ascended by four steep stairways of stone, bordered by serpent balustrades and surmounted by temples which employ the offset arch and have sanctuaries, symbolic altar sculptures and inscriptions...Temple walls are embellished with a profusion of carved and modeled ornaments and surmounted by roof crests and cupolas of elaborate and even pagoda-like design [with successive tiered roofs]There are present also in Yucatan, as in Cambodia, as supports for the great stone tables, balustrades and lintels, dwarfish Atlantean sculpted figures[in this case "Atlantean" means "Like Atlas", figures standing and bearing up the great weight of other structures above]...The true significance of all this and more has been sought again and again without satisfactory result
Because of this situation, more than one of the Diffusionists who have remarked on the situation have stated that The Diffusion in this case must go the other way around, with the New World innovators influencing the Old World cultures rather than vice versa.

Pyramid-builders of Southeast Asia in 12th to 13th Centuries AD.

Pyramid Architecture at Pagan, Burma
Angkor from a far view
Tiruvanamala, India
One of the Mayan "Serpent Balustrades": the same idea occurs at Angkor Wat using the local         7-headed Nagas.
Moreover, we know that this was the exact era when some New World crops appeared in such places as India, China and Southeast Asia.Maize (indian corn) appears in China (evidently by way of Burma) in the age of the great Khans and on statuary of India exactly during the 12th and 13th centuries:

Maize in Pre-Columbian India

Carl L. Johannessen and Anne Z. Parker, "Maize Ears Sculptured in 12th and 13th Century A.D. India as Indicators of Pre-Columbian Diffusion," Economic Botany 43 , 1989, 164-80, argue that stone carvings of maize ears exist in at least three pre-Columbian Hoysala stone block temples near Mysore, Karnataka state, India. Their article provides 16 photographs of a few of the sculptures in question.
Johannessen has now made three large-scale color photographs available online at (new URL, 10/06), with a brief discussion. These photos reveal considerable detail that is lost in the reduced scale black and white reproductions that appeared in the journal article. His photos are the source of the thumbnails on appearing this site, and may be viewed full size by clicking below:

Further photographs appear in his 1998 article, "Maize Diffused to India before Columbus Came to America" (see references below).
In his 1998 article "Pre-Columbian American Sunflower and Maize Images in Indian Temples: Evidence of Contact between Civilizations in India and America" (see references below), Johannessen goes on to cite several appearances of the sunflower, another New World crop, in pre-Columbian Indian temple sculptures. To view Figure 1 from that article, enlarged and in color on his website, click on the thumbnail below:

The following review has been published in the Midwest Epigraphic Journal, vol. 12/13, 1998-99, pp. 43-44.
An earlier version appeared in 1998 on the newsgroup sci.archaeology.


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