Deluge of Atlantis

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Tuesday, January 24, 2012

Tall Ships of Lemuria

Tall Ships of Sundaland.
Here is the exchange of messages which initiated this particular topic: From: Drusin To: Dale Drinnon 
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: Great big boat shaped house, perfect in case of major flooding

hey Dale, check these out. Boat shaped house house. pretty handy in times of deluge

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Dale Drinnon <> wrote:
Those houses are diffusion markers between Southest Asia and South America, in less extreme forms and considered to be about 500BC: they are depicted on pottery of both regions. They are called saddle-roofed huts. and they are usualy built raised up on piers or stilts.
They are built with some sophisticated carpentry techniques and many of the same techniques of making the framework and fitting pieces as would be used in making actual ships: and I had even seen where it had been suggested that the houses were made in imitation of real ships hauled up on shore and converted into houses (something we find otherwise in places as far apart as Viking territories and Polynesia). It would be interesting to get measurements of these houses and see if they could be built in sizes applicable to the sailing ships that there must have once been in old Sundaland.Similar boat-shaped buildings exist in New Guinea.
Best Wishes, Dale D.

Longhouses in Papua New Guinea; Above, a Haus Tambaran or ceremonial Men's hut of an especially exaggerated Ship-shape. This gives some idea of the scale in such structures, and similar ceremonial Men's houses are evebn found in the Amazon area of South America. Presumably beached sailors were using their ship's hulls as places of refuge in the early stages of colonization.

From: Drusin To: Dale Drinnon
Re: great big boat shaped house, perfect in case of major flooding

The Ark!!

-In this case we would be talking about ships in the same shape as Noah's Ark is traditionally portrayed in, inly the main outstanding feature is that the bow and stern are made to tower up very high. Presumably the first colonists would be hauling their ships up on shore, removing the mast(s) and sails, flipping the ship over, steadying the bottom section by setting in piles on the ground and then filling in the understory with living quarters.
Batak Toba culture centres around Lake Toba and the sacred island of Samosir that lies within it. Jabu is the Toba language word for rumah adat. The houses are made up of three sections. A substructure of large wooden pillars resting on flat stones (or concrete nowadays) protects the structure from rising damp. Some of these pillars support longitudinal beams known as labe-labe, which run the length of the house at head height to carry the massive roof. Other pillars carry two large beams with carved singa heads which, with two lateral beams mortised into them, form a great ring beam bearing the small living area. The substructure is strengthened by beams mortised into the piles which double as night stalls for cattle. Walls are lightweight and lean outwards and provide additional stability to the structure. The wall and the wall plate supporting the rafters hang from the labe-labe with rattan cord, while the base of the wall sits on the ring beam. The rafters spring from the wall plate and are angled outwards producing the roof curve. In lieu of horizontal bracing battens, diagonal ties—running from the middle of the labe-labe to the gable ends—provide reinforcement.[2]
The large steeply-pitched saddle back roof dominates the structure. The roofs are traditionally thatched, and with no internal roof trusses they provide a large internal space. Sharply projected triangular eaves and gables overlap all around the substructure. The front gable extends further than the rear gable and is finely carved and painted with motifs of suns, starts, cockerels, and geometric motifs in red, white, and black. The rear gable remains plain.[2]

[2]Dawson, Barry; Gillow, John (1994). The Traditional Architecture of Indonesia. London: Thames and Hudson. pp. 36–39. ISBN 0-500-34132X

--In this case we ARE talking about the traditional architecture of the oldest inhabitants of the area  and we ARE talking about their traditional carpentry carrying on several features which would have been useful to shipbuilding in ancient times, probably to include the latest Pleistocene. And probably we can allow that the traditional forms of decoration by carving would also carry through, so that if we were aboard one of these Lemurian Tall Ships we would see much the same sort of carved decoration facing the interior of the ship and on the living quarters.
Saddleback Roof Construction (Graphic from Architectural Basics website) As you can see the structure of the interior in one of these dwellings is made much the same as in one stage during the construction of a large-hulled ship, much like the more recent European trade caravels of the 16th and 17th centuries. This example happens to come from East Africa near Madagascar.
The smaller form of Saddle-backed huts such as represented on pottery in SouthEast Asia and on the Pacific coast of South America circa 500 BC. This is one of the accepted "Classic" examples said to plausibly represent transPacific contact and cited by Gordon Eckholm et al. HoaBinhian structures are also depiced as being similar and they apparently radiate out of South Vietnam in that period.
Alternatively of course there could be multiple masts with smaller sails. There are evidently "Castles" at either end, recessed into the ends and facing in toward the mast as well: the front castle faces backward and the rear castle faces front. Steering is with an oar stuck in the water at stern and the anchor is a big rock with a rope tied on it. I imagine the bottom is keeled but there is no direct evidence of what shape the keel would be.The depiction of a single mast is conventional: Egyptian masts were two-footed and Indonesian masts could be mounted on a tripod base for stability.
Australian rock-art ship of undetermined age. Several examples exist and are distinguished from European ships by their high prow and stern: some have been suggested to be as old as the last Ice Age, older than 10000 years ago and possibly related to a hypothetical transPacific settlement of South America supposed to have been going on at the time (News stories stating this have been posted on this blog before)
Much later watercraft depicted at Angkor seem to be of the same conformation with the extremely steep bow and stern. This would be a smaller craft for rowing and not sailing: I imagine Sundaland craft utilised both methods as necessary.

 Best Wishes, Dale D.

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