Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Monday, January 23, 2012

More Support for Bronze Age Transatlantic Contact

Drusin  sent me another link for another article:

New evidence links Early Bronze Age Ireland to the Southeastern United States

7 comments:

  1. Can you post links to where Yuchi/Euchee are Siouan? I have only seen information that they speak a language isolate and have an oral tradition of island hopping before they came to the SE. Thanks!

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  2. I said that in my reply before I saw the "prequel" article which said Yuchi was a language isolate: actually that sounds MUCH more likely to me. I shall check up on the literature. Thanks for the suggestion.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

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  3. To quote the Wikipedia:

    Yuchi is classified as a language isolate because it is not known to be related to any other language. Various linguists have made claims, however, that the language has a distant relationship with the Siouan family: Sapir in 1921 and 1929, Haas in 1951, and 1964, Elmendorf in 1964, Rudus in 1974, and Crawford in 1979.[4]

    4. Mithun, Marianne. The Languages of Native North America. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2001.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuchi_language

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  4. I think the circle and crosses resemble images of back to back bows with an arrow each. On the petroglyph found in America the arrows are off to the right far from the larger, perhaps secured zones of circles to the left. "x marks the spot" comes to mind.

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    1. The Quartered Circle is the orientation of the individual in Time (as a calender: the 4 seasons and the cycle of the year) and Space (as the four directions and the horizon.) It's also a popular symbol with the Mississippian Indians who tell of a red head who came from the North, wore his hair in a single braid (Redhorn)and begat two heroic sons who kept being reincarnated to help the tribe. Also big in Siberian Shamanism :~)

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  5. You may be right, but in that case the arrowheads are usually also indicated. What you are describing is very like the old form of the "Sign of Neith" which is evidently indicated in Platos's story of Atlantis as also being a marker for the "Athenians"-the sign is sometimes interpreted as "A shield with two spears" but it has also been said to represent "Two bows with crossed arrows". as such either interpretation of the sign is as a military emblem.

    On the other hand, the Atlantean circle-cross is related to the design of their capital city (as discussed by Donnelly in a pretty convincing chapter "The Pyramid, the Cross and the Garden of Eden")and it has a separate symbolism attached to the concept of the "Omphalos" or Center of the World.
    Later on the Egyptians were slightly bothered by a goddess using a military emblem and they reinterpreted her sign as being a shuttlecock. It just so happens that fits Athena also.

    Needless to say the actual settlement plan as a series of concentric circular walls and ditches was reproduced many many times, probably hundreds or thousands of times; and one of the later versions familiar to everybody is the typical midieval European castle with a moat.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

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  6. In Re Anonymous on the Quartered circle, yes, you get that meaning in Germany, too: but it only works in certain latitudes and the circle-cross is a universal symbol. Donnelly included the argument that the circle-cross is stated to represent the garden of Eden, and/or an Island Paradise of some other name. And really in that sense it is a sort of a mandala, also representing the four directions ("The four winds") In the case of Plato's description of Atlantis, the circle-city is also quartered by a cross, and eventually I was going to get around to writing about that here. The multiple concentric circles as representing an Omphalos also figures into that, in that it represents a certain stage of development, a certain mindset, and a certain World View: all of these things are tied in together and interrelated. And the American Indians used it in that sense also, especially if the Mayans used Mandalas (see today's posting on that)

    The thing is that several symbols might have multiple meanings and you've got to be careful. The circle-cross is also one tradtional symbol meaning either the sun or the Earth And it is the latter sense which is more tied in to the Atlantis discussion.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

    PS: 1) I really would prefer it if you did not submit comments anonymously, and 2) For some reason Blogger will not allow me to "Reply to replies". Therefore when somebody else does it, I am forced to leave a new comment as I am doing now. Makes cross-referencing that much more confusing. Just saying that so's you'd know that was going on, too.

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