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Saturday, December 31, 2011

1100 Year Old Mayan Ruins in North Georgia

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Posted: 30 Dec 2011 12:01 AM PST






There was ample indication of prehistoric intrusions along the Gulf coast and a Mayan Colony is not only plausible but very likely if not even more common place than presently understood. Such a colony would almost certainly gave aimed to bring a population of around a thousand as quickly as feasible in order to fully organize agriculture and to over awe local populations.

Linking it to the Mayan collapse is presently premature.  More likely it was an expression of Mayan expansion.

I have seen comparable tales of other such colonies that include Mediterranean and Chinese sources, both of which are plausible because of climatic conditions.  All were too far from homelands to receive continuous support and ultimately settled into the indigenous background until the modern era.

It is a story that needs to be better studied and resolved.  I particularly note that Bronze Age global commerce provided further opportunity for such colonization and intermarriage that extended through a two thousand years with a hot spot running from say 1600 BCE through 1159 BCE.

1,100-year-old Mayan ruins found in North Georgia

By David Ferguson

Thursday, December 22, 2011


Archaeologists have discovered the ruins of an ancient Mayan city in the mountains of North Georgia believed to be at least 1,100 years old. According to Richard Thornton at Examiner.com, the ruins are reportedly what remains of a city built by Mayans fleeing wars, volcanic eruptions, droughts and famine.

In 1999, University of Georgia archeologist Mark Williams led an expedition to investigate the Kenimer Mound, a large, five-sided pyramid built in approximately 900 A.D. in the foothills of Georgia ’s tallest mountain, Brasstown Bald. Many local residents has assumed for years that the pyramid was just another wooded hill, but in fact it was a structure built on an existing hill in a method common to Mayans living in Central America as well as to Southeastern Native American tribes.

Speculation has abounded for years as to what could have happened to the people who lived in the great Meso-American societies of the first century. Some historians believed that they simply died out in plagues and food shortages, but others have long speculated about the possibility of mass migration to other regions.

When evidence began to turn up of Mayan connections to the Georgia site, South African archeologist Johannes Loubser brought teams to the site who took soil samples and analyzed pottery shards which dated the site and indicated that it had been inhabited for many decades approximately 1000 years ago. The people who settled there were known as Itza Maya, a word that carried over into the Cherokee language of the region.

The city that is being uncovered there is believed to have been called Yupaha, which Spanish explorer Hernando de Soto searched for unsuccessfully in 1540. So far, archeologists have unearthed “at least 154 stone masonry walls for agricultural terraces, plus evidence of a sophisticated irrigation system and ruins of several other stone structures.” Much more may still be hidden underground.

The find is particularly relevant in that it establishes specific links between the culture of Southeastern Native Americans and ancient Mayans. According to Thornton , it may be the “most important archeological discovery in recent times.”

UPDATE: Raw Story contacted another UGA Scientist, Dr. B. T. Thomas of the Department of Environmental Science, who indicated that, while it is unlikely that the Mayan people migrated en masse from Central America to settle in what is now the United States, he refused to characterize Thornton’s conclusions as “wrong,” stating that it is entirely possible that some Mayans and their descendants migrated north, bringing Mayan building and agricultural techniques to the Southeastern U.S. as they integrated with the existing indigenous people there.
 
David Ferguson

David Ferguson is a writer and radio producer living in Athens, Georgia. He hosts two shows for Georgia Public Broadcasting and has blogged at Firedoglake.com and elsewhere. He is currently working on a book.
 
--More importantly, this seems to be a direct link between the Mayas of Yucatan and the section of "Moundbuilders" known as the Temple Mound or Mississippian Culture.
 
Best Wishes, Dale D.

6 comments:

  1. Well, here's a quote from the archeologist Mark Williams mentioned in that article:

    http://www.mountainx.com/article/38687/Mayan-ruins-in-Georgia-An-unorthodox-theory-generates-Internet-buzz
    12/23/2011
    Mayan ruins in Georgia? An unorthodox theory generates Internet buzz

    Thornton's ideas generated scorn from Mark Williams, a geologist with the University of Georgia who led a group studying the site in question. Williams reacted this week, saying, “The Maya connection to legitimate Georgia archaeology is a wild and unsubstantiated guess on the part of the Thornton fellow. No archaeologists will defend this flight of fancy.”

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  2. Soooo, A GEOLOGIST criticizes an ANTHROPOLOGICAL theory? That just isn't right, you know.

    In this case there are a couple of things that roused my interest: 1) this is not the first time the theory has come up, it is just a new incarnation of the idea centering around a specific location.
    2) The pottery is supposed to match. That would be substantial evidence and better than mere polemics either way.

    I have not seen the site/material myself and thus I hold no strong opinions about it. But I did think it was an interesting story.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

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  3. Another pertinent observation would be that the mayans did not practice terrace agriculture, they practiced lowlands agriculture which included building canals to manage swampy areas.

    At this same time, some physical Anthropologists claim evidence of a Southern/Mesoamerican/Mexican type of people coming into the country based on a comparison of skulls and skeletons. So it's not all cut and dried. The Geologist could be forgiven for not knowing about the other evidence for the theory in other areas. I do have references to these theories in my old IU textbooks on North American Archaeology so it's not like it is obscure or unknown speculation.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

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  4. I take your point about Geologists and Anthropologists probably not knowing about each others areas of expertise. And I posted the quote as there's quite a lot on the Net taking this story to task as not being true. The main reason I posted it was the source being examiner.com as many, including me, don't give that particular site any credence as it allows anyone to write whatever they like without bothering to check any real facts. In the end, I guess it's all a matter of opinion, LOL.

    Best wishes, Kithra

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  5. By all means please read the sequel!

    We know for a fact there was a cultural influence that went out from Mesoamerica to the Mississippi drainage area at about that if only for two facts: 1) the temple monds (earthen pyramids) make an appearance when there had been nothing like them in the area before, and 2) Ritual human sacrifice also appears about the same tiime.

    Now there is a time and a place to be skeptical but in a case like this, it's not a matter of knowing IF it happened, it is a matter of HOW it happened.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

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  6. A geologist isn't an anthropologist. The only thing they really have in common is that they like to play in the dirt. Having said that, I would think there isn't enough evidence published to discount this as a Mayan structure. I don't see why the Mayans wouldn't have settled in places that weren't in central America and Mexico. My opinion is the Mayan population of that area assimilated in to the local Native American population. No mass migration, no die off from some catastrophic event. They married in to the local population and used the local's survival tactics after that.

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