Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Tuesday, September 6, 2011

Antediluvian Nephilim Giants of Atlantis

I found a website that had the same understanding of the matter as I did and put the argument so succinctly that I felt I should nominate them a guest blogger to explain it in their own words:

 Friday, November 6, 2009
 Cro Magnon, Cave Man and Identity of the Nephalim Giants in Genesis, the Old Testament

I won't trouble anyone with all the false explanations from 1) Fee Fi Fo Fum 30 ft tall mythological "Giants," to 2) Fallen Angels / Demons, to ... who knows what other explanations, I'll stick with the reasonable Biblical explanation. Here's the famous chart of Science' Evolution of Man, showing the line that lead up to Cro-Magnon, and Cro-Magnon was replaced by "Modern Man" who the father of Agriculture (tilling the ground) and the first settlements.

The major difference between Cro Magnon man (40,000-10,000 years ago) is that Cro Magnon did not farm. He was the prehistoric "cave man," nomadic, hunter/gatherers. Agriculture which enabled man to create settlements, began in Mesopotamia, around 10,000 years ago, the same is described in Genesis 2:5: "...and there was not a man to till the ground.") with the creation of Adam, Agriculture began to flourish and spread throughout the ancient world, and strong emphasis is on how not a man existed, to "till the ground".

How that became "no man existed," was through fundamentalists' denial of Paleontology and the fossil record of human evolution. How ironic, that instead of "denying the Bible," scientists were merely doing the will of God, to explain the mystery of Genesis.

 "Tilling the ground," is emphasized and re-emphasized. Many Atheists raised the question, "Where did Mrs. Cain come from?" after Cain fled following the murder of his brother. Cro-Magnon had a heavy population throughout parts of Europe and the ancient near east. That is where "Mrs Cain" came from. It is written, (Genesis 4:11) that God greviously cursed Cain, who was a tiller of the ground, "...And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth." How interesting that Cain expressed fear about every man who found him would want to kill him? How odd, if the only man living at the time, aside of his dead brother, were his father Adam. Obviously, it is implied that other men were living at the time, including cro magnon women, from whom Cain took a wife.

"And there were giants in those days..." Many of these ancient people stood above 6 ft. tall on average. The video documentary mentions Ancient Chinese scrolls and cave paintings of figures of "great height" that lend credence to the accounts

 Who the "Sons of God" are, "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." ~ Genesis 3:22

 Please take note that God mentions nothing of "fallen angels," "demons," or otherwise. The wicked ones in discussion who plundered the "daughters of men," were man... men... modern man, Adam, a son of God, hand-crafted from the earth, by God himself.

Adam was the "fallen one," if you please, and "...they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Genesis 6:4 There were giants [Nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the 1) sons of God came in unto the 2) daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The verse is speaking of none other than the ancient Cro-Magnon man, which had existed from approximately 40,000-10,000 years ago, and was replaced by modern man.

A famous museum bust of cro-magnon man [Ends quotation from genesis-science blog-DD]

There is an author, Anthony Roberts, who writes extensively of Atlantean Tradition in Britain, that being basically the Megalithic culture and its remnants, and of the legends of Giants which he feels connect up to both the traditions of Atlantis and to traditions of Megalithic Culture.

 Atlantean Traditions in Ancient Britain, Zodiac House, 1971.

 A serious study of the Atlantean myth, investigating into the roots of British mythology and history. First edition published in by Zodiac House in 1971, Part One: Visions Of Albion; Part Two: Atlantean Ireland. Part 3. Magical Heritage In Wales.

Atlantean Traditions in Ancient Britain is an investigation into the roots of British mythology and history using the myth of Atlantis. Anthony Roberts considers the mysterious aspects of the Bristish Mythos investigating flood memories, giant lore, fairy tales, Druids and ancient magic. He contrasts his findings with studies of the physical evidence that remains: earthworks, leys, standing stones, trackways, stone circles, drowned lands and the very nature of the landscape itself. Some of the earliest traditions of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales are unfolded and always with the shadow of Atlantis looming above them. The book summarizes many of the discoveries of contemporary Atlantean researchers and speculative archaeologists as they pertain to the British Isles. The afterword broadens its scope with an analysis of the more world-wide evidences to support the Atlantean thesis. Published as a revised edition by Rider, 1977

 Sowers of Thunder: Giants in Myth and History, Rider, 1978.
With Foreword by Paul Devereux.

 Discusses British Giant Traditions: Gogmagog, Earth Giants, Cornish Giants and other Esotericisms. Also looks at real giants, Hoebiger and the Giants and giant legends in South America.

 From the front flap – “Among the wealth of fantastic beings, the idea of giants recurs again and again throughout time and in all places. With its wealth of detail Sowers of Thunder offers an investigation of these creatures taking examples not only from Britain but also from North and South America. Beginning with the premise that giants were once a reality – and possibly the original habitants of the British Isles – Anthony Roberts has written a fascinating book that examines the references, both real and mythological, and the archaeological evidence which tends to support this theory. This is a thought provoking portrait of the possible original inhabitants of ancient Albion.” This is a thorough investigation, using both mythological and archaeological evidence into the existence of giants, which Roberts suggests were the original occupants of Albion. Roberts interprets Giant legends as records of geomantic practices; the existence of physical giants in antiquity as the magical powers used by the ancients in shaping of the landscape by metaphysical energies. Giant-killing at Gorran is seen as the sacrifice of a magical ruler, and there are stories of sacrifice by giants at Trencrom Hill, near which the stones are used for playing bowls, and the legend of Saint Michaels Mount as recording the construction of that monument; the story distinguishes between white granite, which has active energies, and greenstone, which does not. A giant skeleton was found on the Mount in the fourteenth century. Saint Agnes’ killing of a giant at Chapel Porth is seen as a record both of ritual sacrifice and of the Christian suppression of paganism. The giant’s stride between St.Agnes Beacon and Carn Brea is on a ley: the giants who assembled on the beacon hill at Carn Brea are seen as a memory of the megalith builders. Another ley is recorded in a hammer-throwing legend at Trencrom Hill and Saint Michaels Mount. . It is suggested that the burial found at Glastonbury in 1190 was not King Arthur but an ancient giant.
Selections from Sowers of Thunder went onto to appear s articles in various Earth Mysteries magazines including The Ley Hunter and Meyn Mamvro.

 Roberts holds that the Atlantean CroMagnons included very large individuals but of normal, undeformed apperarance. CroMagnons could normally range above six feet tall and even seven feet tall (Males), like their descendants the Canary Islanders: Roberts allows that some of them could regularly surpass eight to ten feet tall.Spence would agree that Atlantean CroMagnons were the reason for the British traditions of Giants, and even allow that "Og" was part of the name they were commonly known by, but Spence does not specify so great a height for them. The following summary contains some of Robert's ideas, and some additions to the basic theory. I shall needs add a few points of clarification because of some common errors that have also been included.

 To quote Benjamin Rea, “yes, Atlantis did once exist”; although orthodox scholars have consistently sneered at all references to Atlantis. The story of Atlantis is recorded in the writings of the Greek classic Plato. Plato got his information about Atlantis from Solon’s writings, who lived a century earlier, who got the story of Atlantis from archives in Egypt he read during a visit there. The Egyptians kept meticulous historical records, while the Greeks did not keep a written record of their own history. The story of Atlantis aroused extraordinary interest in Greece, and was “checked-out”, so to speak, by Crantor, the first commentator of Plato’s works, who went to Egypt around 300BC to verify Solon’s sources. Plato wrote that Atlantis was a large island or continent now submerged beneath the Atlantic Ocean except its mountain-tops which are today identified by able scholars as the Azore Islands. The Azores are nine small islands about 1000 miles west of Portugal in the Atlantic. Plato, whose record of Atlantis we have, says clearly that Atlantis was situated outside the “Pillars of Hercules”, that is, the “Straits of Gibraltar“, opposite the mouth of the Mediterranean Sea in the Atlantic Ocean, and by his description there can be little doubt that the Azores Islands are indeed the mountain-peaks of the “lost continent” of Atlantis. Atlantis, according to Plato, possessed a high civilization, which was suddenly destroyed by an horrific natural cataclysm and sank beneath the sea.
 The inhabitants of Atlantis were the Colossi, so-called by the Greeks because they were said to have been giants, the “giants” mentioned in the mythologies of nearly every ancient race, who settled in the islands and coasts of the Atlantic Ocean at the time of the “great migrations” in the Middle Stone Age [Mesolithic]when ancient peoples settled in their historic habitats. The Colossi appear in Greek Mythology as the rebellious “Titans”, who, all except one tribe migrated from North-West Africa [Mauretania] and settled outside the “Pillars of Hercules” in the islands and coasts of the “western ocean” under the leadership of Atlas [formerly King of Mauretania] and his brothers, namely, Gadir (Gaderius) or Eumelus (Eumolus), Ampher[es] (Amphisus), Evaemon (Eudemon), Mneseus, Autochthon, Elasippus, Mestor, Diaprepes, and Azaes, all of whom were early patriarchs, each over one of the ten tribes of the Colossi, and all founded kingdoms and became kings. Atlas settled in the isle or island-continent of Atlantis while his brothers migrated onto other islands and coasts of the Atlantic. Gadir settled Spain; Ampher settled Britain; Evaemon settled France; Mneseus settled Burgundy; Autochthon settled Germany; Elasippus settled Italy, Sardinia, and Malta; Mestor remained at home in North-West Africa [Mauretania] with his tribe; Diaprepes settled Scandinavia; and Azaes settled America. Plato wrote: “all these [that is, Atlas and his brothers] and their descendants were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea”. Atlas and his brothers, and their sisters, whom the brothers took as their wives, according to one myth, were the sons and daughters of the Greek sea-god Poseidon [the equivalent to the Roman sea-god Neptune] begotten of the mortal-woman Cleito (Kleito), the daughter of Evenor, an early classical king, and his wife, Leucippe, formerly a vestal-virgin; while, according to another myth, these brothers and sisters of Atlas appear as his sons and daughters while Atlas is himself called the son of the Greek patriarch Iapetos. Iapetos, according to mythology, was the son of Deucalion, the Greek Noah; while, according to legendary history, Iapetos is to be identified with Japheth, one of Noah’s three sons, the Bible figure. Japheth is usually regarded as the ancestor of the Indo-Europeans, and not of the Atlanteans who are sometimes identified with the “giants” spoken of in the Bible in Genesis 6:4, who, upon comparison with the Bible verses Job 1:6;2:1 and 2 Peter 2:4,5, we learn were the off-spring of humans and extra-terrestrials. It is believed by some theologians that God created astral-beings as well as terrestrial-beings, and that the astral-beings had intercourse with mortal-women who gave birth to giants, demi-gods, and heroes, whose story is that of Greek Mythology. These giants, who were of mixed human and angelic and/or demonic birth, were in the earth in the years before Noah’s Flood (Gen. 6:4), by which they were judged by God (2 Pet. 2:5) and those who survived had descendants who were later encountered by the Hebrews during their migrations (Num. 13:33). The island-abode of Utnapishtim, the Sumerian Noah, visited by Gilgamesh, King of Erech [a Sumerian city-state], circa 2750BC, may have been Atlantis? If Utnapishtim was Noah still alive then our modern concept of ancient chronology is very uncertain. Atlas, who may have been Noah’s grandson according to one myth, may have supported his grandfather in his old age. Atlas appears in Greek Mythology to have been one of the rebellious giants, or “Titans”, who having fought and been vanquished by the Greek gods of Mount Olympus was punished by having to forever carry the world-globe on his shoulders. Atlas, who gave his name not only to the island-continent of Atlantis but also to the Atlantic Ocean, according to Plato, was the first King of Atlantis and the ancestor of its royal house. Atlas had at least five wives, many children, and numerous descendants, of whom the senior-line always retained the kingdom, “which the eldest son handed on to his eldest son for many generations over the centuries in uninterrupted succession”, wrote Plato.

 The mysterious island called Hy-Brazil [var.: Brasil; Bressal; Bresil] which is mentioned in British Mythology was doubtless Atlantis; for its king was called the “King of The World”. Hy-Brazil appears under many different names on medieval maps, and was the subject of “L’Isola Brazil” (Genoa, 1325), by Angelinus Dalorto, the renown cartographer. His thesis influenced the Portugese to give America the name “Brazil”, although maps after Columbus’ time still showed an island of that name in the North Atlantic. The northern most tip of Atlantis was said to have lied at the same latitude as Ireland but far out to sea. The capital city of Atlantis, called “Brasileia” by Piteas, where the “King of The World” was said to reside, was said by Plato to have been marvelous beyond description, attesting to the high level of civilization the Atlanteans had achieved in ancient times; and had developed a distinctive culture, which was the mother-culture of Egypt, Britain, and Mexico. The capital city of Atlantis was remarkable, says Plato, for the large scale and decorative splendor of its public buildings, its temple, and the imperial palace, which were all built of white, black, and red sandstone, or marble. The city’s port, or harbor, says Plato, was constantly busy and “full of vessels and merchants from all parts” that made Atlantis very wealthy and prosperous. [This author also fails to recognise that the original city was distinct from its later colonial replications such as Tartessos. The text is describing one of thiose replications here, probably Tartessos itself-DD]The “New Stone Age” saw the rise of [the surviving "Ten KIngdoms" of] Atlantis to a great power. Atlantis began expanding during the New Stone Age all along the coasts of the Atlantic establishing out-posts and colonies, and by the Bronze Age had become the centre of a trans-Atlantis maritime empire with colonies in Western Europe, North-West Africa, the British Isles, Scandinavia, as well as North America. Atlantis, about the beginning of the Early Bronze Age, expanding into western Mediterranean waters, according to Plato, subdued “the parts of Libya [North Africa] as far as Egypt, and the parts of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia [Italy]”, and established an out-post on the Isle of Malta. It was around the time of the beginnings of Egyptian History when Menes, reckoned as Egypt’s first king, the King of Upper Egypt [Pathros], conquered Lower Egypt [Kaphtor], unified the country, and founded Egypt’s first national dynasty, circa 3000BC. His conquest of Lower Egypt caused the migration of the Mizraimite Caphorites from the Egyptian delta to the isle of Crete. They were the pre-Minoan people of Crete. Meanwhile, the Canaanites of Palestine were establishing colonies and found Sidon, Avaris, and Troy. The settlers of Sidon became the Phoenicians who found Tyre, Beruit, Arka, and other cities. The settlers of Avaris [Tanis] became the Belgae of Egypt, who gave Egypt its Second-Dynasty, and later upon their expulsion by Egypt’s Third-Dynasty migrated to Greece and found Athens. The Belgae in Greece were the Pelasgic Greeks [pre-Greeks]. The Canaanite settlers of Troy were the first of nine different peoples who occupied the city in ancient-times. Explorers from Atlantis were sent out to neighboring islands and coasts during the New Stone Age, some of whom came to the British Isles and engaged in active barter with the natives, who were also Colossi by race yet were not as technically advanced as their cousins. The Atlanteans were soon mining tin in Britain and copper in Ireland to make bronze in their smelteries on their home-island of Atlantis, which the Atlanteans then exported to the British Isles, which began the Bronze Age in Britain. It was either trade, that is, the exchange of British tin and copper for Atlantean bronze, that began the Bronze Age in Britain; or else it was the local manufacture of bronze in Britain by the Britons themselves from their own deposits of tin and copper that began the Bronze Age in Britain. Colonists from Atlantis then followed and settled in the British Isles during the New Stone Age, establishing work-camps to mine tin and copper, introducing the megalithic culture, the culture of Atlantis, as well as the religion of Atlantis, which was Sumerian zeroashtaism, which religion had become worldwide in ancient times.[This attempts to make a distinct precoursor to Zoroastrism, but it fails to demonstrate the actual existance of such a thing.This is not a documented Sumerian cult known to Archaeology -DD]

 Ignatius Donnelly says that the mythologies of Egypt, Britain, and Mexico, represented the original religion of Atlantis, which he says was the worship of a god personified by the sun. This was the second wave of Atlanteans to come to Britain. This was not a migration like the first wave, but rather immigration that came about due to trade and industry which turned into commerce which attracted the Atlanteans to the British Isles. And, it followed that Britain became a colony or satellite-state of the great Atlantean empire. The Atlanteans, called the Colossi by the Greeks because they were said to have been giants, appear in British Mythology as the “aborigines” of the British Isles. The “giants” of British Mythology are the people called the “Picts” of British History, which is a name given to them by the later Romans that is an abbreviation of the Latin “populii pictii” meaning “painted-people” for their custom of wearing war-paint in battle. This same custom practiced also by Amerian Indians must have had a common origin. The Picts are generally regarded by historians as the earliest inhabitants of the whole British Isles. The Picts, that is, the Colossi, appear in Irish Mythology as the Fomorians. The Fomorians [Fomoire; Fomhoire; Fomorii] derived their name from the Irish word “fomhoire” meaning “giant”, as portrayed in Irish myths. The Fomorians [“giants”] were the Irish settlement of the Colossi, or Atlanteans. The Fomorians, described in Irish Mythology as giants, were the pre-Irish inhabitants of Ireland and are found occupying the isle when the ancestors of the historic Irish people arrive. The Fomorians of Irish Mythology are known in Irish History as the Cruithni, which is the Irish name for the Picts. The construction of megaliths was well under way in the British Isles by this time, and the religion of Atlantis early integrates with native or local cults in the British Isles during the New Stone Age and emerges by the Bronze Age as “druidism“, the religion of Britain, Ireland, and France, in ancient times. This squares with Caesar’s writings, who wrote that druidism evolved in Britain and was brought from there to Gaul, which statement is supported by archaeologists. Hence, druidism could not have been a Celtic religion, because the Celts came from Gaul to Britain. There was beyond Atlantis, wrote Plato, an archipelago of islands [the British Isles] that by way of the Atlanteans traveled to other islands and passed to an opposite continent, North America. It was the same route along the northern arc that the later Vikings took when they found their colonies in Iceland, Greenland, and Canada [Vinland]. Plato was referring to one of three waves of the Colossi to settle in America. The first wave of the Colossi came to America as settlers during the Middle Stone Age under the leadership of Azaes, one of the sons or brothers of Atlas, who with his tribe appear to have settled along the Great Lakes in Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and along the Ohio and upper Mississippi rivers, which region was anciently called “Aztalan” [“Aztlan”], after Azaes, reckoned as America’s first king and the ancestor of its first royal house. There is another myth that says it was not Azaes, but his son Coxcox who after wandering for many years finally established a settlement in North America, called “Aztalan” after his father, and was America’s first king. These were the so-called “Mound-Builders” who built the large earthen-mounds found in that region. The contents found in the mortuary-mounds of the Mississippi Valley are exactly like those found in British earthen-mounds and those of Western Europe, such as the stone chests containing wooden coffins and the articles buried with the dead, which points to a common origin for the ancient inhabitants of America and those of Britain and Western Europe in the Colossi race of Atlantis. These earthen-mounds were the parent-form, ancestor, or proto-type of the pyramids. The sunken ruins of the pyramid-complex of Aztalan has been discovered in Rock Lake about 40 miles west of Milwaukee. The question of the presence of pyramids in Atlantis arises here, for as the mother-country to Egypt, Britain, and Mexico, there is little doubt that the pyramid developed from the earlier earthen-mounds of the Atlanteans, who, as the builders of these, are sometimes called “Mound-People”. The step-pyramid at Saqqara in Egypt, the parent-form of Egypt’s pyramids, is built exactly like the mortuary-mound of Silsbury Hill in Britain, whose design is exactly like the earthen-mounds of Mexico. The “Mound-Builders” were the ancestors of the Aztecs, the Chichimec tribes, who, advancing down the Mississippi and spreading-out over its tributaries, eventually migrated to Mexico and were the successors of the great nations of Central America, who originally were Colossi by race but have since been absorbed by a mongoloid people, the “Amerinds” [early cousins of the later Eskimo-Aleutians], who, called “Red Indians” by later Europeans, migrated to America from Asia across the Bering Straits. The Colossi in America were the scattered tribes of so-called “White Indians” from Ohio to Peru. There are various Indian legends of “giants” as the aborigines of America. Indeed, the mounds and their artifacts are far more ancient than the earliest remnants of native Indian culture.[These would be the Adenas when the Colossi were actual Giants, and the regular Lenapid-Algonquins otherwise. Barry Fell identifies the subsequent Hopewellian MoundBuilders as subsequent migrations of Iberian-Tartessians]

 The second wave of the Colossi came as traders, colonists, and troops from Atlantis, as part of Atlantean expansion during the empire era of Atlantean History in the New Stone Age [?to the] Early Bronze Age. It was during this period that the Atlanteans built outposts in America, among which were: (a) the Isle Royale in Lake Superior off Michigan; (b) Mystery Hill, North Salem, New Hampshire; and (c) the isle of Bimini which lies among the Bahamas off Florida. The third wave of the Colossi came as refugees from Atlantis at the time of its destruction in the Late Bronze Age and settled along the shores of the Gulf of Mexico, spreading thence, in time to the plains and mountains of New Mexico and Colorado and to the tablelands of Central America where they appear as the Olmecs, Xicalancans, and Mayans, who were the first of the great nations of Central America. Atlantis, expanding into eastern Mediterranean waters, overran Greece, the Near East, and Egypt about 2700BC, but by 2600BC the Atlanteans had been driven out of the eastern Mediterranean region by the Mesopotamians [Sumerians], under the Akkadian emperor Narim-Sin, and by 2100BC had been driven out of the western Mediterranean region by the Indo-Europeans, or, more precisely, the Minoans[Mykenians, ancestors of the Greeks], though some colonies of Atlanteans held out for a while in the Near East and were the “giants” encountered by the Hebrews, that is, the Anakim, Zamzumim, and Emim. Goliath, the giant whom David slew, was undoubtedly descended from a scattered remnant of a colony of Atlanteans in Canaan who had mixed with the native Canaanites and other newcomers to the region. It appears that after the Atlanteans had been driven out of the Near East they settled in the Caucasus, the Crimea, and in Bulgaria, however, were later driven from those areas and migrated on to Syria, Northern Iran, the Malabar Coast, the Nilgiri Hills of India, to South-East Asia, and eventually to the South Sea Islands, where they disappear from history around the time of the migrations of the Polynesians who settled in the islands of the Pacific Ocean. Following their wars with the Mediterraneans, the Atlanteans of Atlantis withdrew into the Atlantic Ocean where they reigned supreme and appear to have been isolationists not having any dealings with the Mediterraneans for the next five centuries except for the piracy of Mediterranean ships, which happened to venture beyond the Straits of Gibraltar into the Atlantic, whose crews were taken captive and made into slaves to work the mines and smelteries of Atlantis and its colonies. Atlantis lost its hegemony over Western Europe during the Middle Bronze Age due to the encroaches of the “Beaker-People”, who came to Western Europe as refugees as a result of the migrations of peoples caused by the advances of the Indo-Europeans.[The chronology of this seems to be off. The Beaker Folk appear to hold some relationship to the Adenas: they, too, are Atlanteans of large stature.Megalithic Europe would have been THE stronghold of the Atlantean Ten Kingdoms at this time-DD]

[Now for the part which shall call for some extra explanation] It was reported by the Greek classic Plato that Atlantis was destroyed in a terrible convulsion of nature and to have disappeared with nearly all of its inhabitants beneath the sea except its mountain-tops, now the Azore Isles, while it was again warring with the Mediterraneans “900 (not 9000) before Solon’s time”, that is, circa 1500BC. The 9000 years date which Plato gives is an error according to many scholars who agree that an extra “0” has made its way into the text and that 900 years is more likely, for upon this basis the history of Atlantis could fit well into the framework of known historical events. Indeed, the history of Atlantis fits perfectly in the outline of Ancient Chronology using the “900” years date. Plato wrote that Atlantis, for the second time, “came forth from the outer ocean in a war between all those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Hercules and all those who dwelt within them.“ He says: “this vast empire gathered all its forces together and undertook to conquer all the lands that border the Mediterranean Sea.” It is implied that Britain was an ally of Atlantis and contributed forces to the expedition. And, Plato wrote that “the host of invaders marched in wanton insolence upon all Europe and Asia together, issuing yonder from the Atlantic Ocean.” The Atlanteans destroyed the Minoan Empire of Crete, attacked Mycenean Greece, and also 18th-Dynasty Egypt. Athens withheld siege in Greece and repulsed the invaders, however, the Greek Navy, while in pursuit, was destroyed in a storm.
[ As a matter of fact, the assumption that Plato's figures can be successfully divided by 10 is a sore point because to do so destroys the integrity of the maths used internally in the Platonic texts. The Platonic dialogues are actually MEANT to have those figures at precisely those dimenmsions because otherwise the entire structure becomes meaningless. In this case this author is speaking of the events of the "Peoples of the Sea" Following Phaethon, some few centuries later than 1500 BC. The "Peoples of the Sea" were not only of Atlantean descent, there is good reason to suspect they flaunted that identity. Plato's account also says the Greek ARMY was destroyed ON LAND at the same time, a different story that this author gives.
With that understanding, the rest of this is probably near enough true.]

There were some Atlanteans who escaped the destruction of their homeland and made their way to their overseas colonies or either found new colonies: some traveling east, others north, and some west. Those east settled in the Pyrenees Mountains between France and Spain and became the Basque. Those north settled in the northern parts of the British Isles, the Nordreys, and in the area around the Trondheimfjord in Western Norway, and became the Atecotti [Attacotti]. This was the third and last wave of Atlanteans to settle in the British Isles. And those west settled in Central America and became the Olmecs, the ancestors of the Mayans. Of these, the Basque, the Atecotti, and the Olmecs, only the Basque have survived as a nationality into modern times even though they have mixed over thousands of years with successive waves of invaders and colonists. Note that the Basque Language has nothing in common with any modern European language but has some common traits with some languages of the native American Indians. The Atecotti of Britain were said by the Romans to have spoken a language that was unlike the Celtic tongue but was akin to the Basque language. The Atlantean kingdom in Britain was founded by a group of Atlantean refugees from Atlantis who came following the destruction of their home-island and settled in their colonies in the British Isles, in parts of Ulster, Northern Scotland, and the Nordreys [Orkneys, Shetlands, and Faroes], and became the Atecotti [Attacotti], so-called by later Romans. This group of Atlantean refugees migrated under the leadership of the Atlantean prince Creon, who was the first tribal chief/king of the Atecotti and the ancestor of their royal clan, the Creones, that is, Britain’s Third-Dynasty. Creon (Kreon) was a cousin of the last King of Atlantis and therefore a male-line descendant of Atlas, the first King of Atlantis and the founder of its dynasty. The Atecotti appear to have settled at first in the Nordreys, that is, the Northern Isles, namely, the Orkneys, the Shetlands, and the Faroes, from where they spread-out to Scotland, the Isle of Man, and to Norway. The Atecotti in Scotland became a major tribe rivaling the later Caledonians and Albanese. Their settlement in Norway was centered around the Trondheimsfjord in Western Norway, which was probably the legendary kingdom of “Thule” mentioned by classical writers. The classic Pytheas wrote (300BC) that Thule was six days sail from Britain. He was probably referring to the old Norwegian kingdom of Hlade, in the Trondelag, the area around the Trondheimsfjord in Western Norway, whose kings were the ancestors of the medieval Trondheim jarls/earls. There is a difference of opinion as to where Thule was: some say the Orkneys; some believe it to have been Iceland; and some say Scandinavia. The Atecotti, whom the Romans said were cannibals, built the “brochs”, wheel-houses, and “cairns“, which are found mainly in the far north of Scotland and the Nordreys. The “brochs” were high, round towers, built for defensive purposes; the wheel-houses were round stone huts with radial piers; and the “cairns” were elaborate interconnected groups of stone-built houses. The Atecotti later joined the Caledonians and Albanese in a series of wars with the Romans, who collectively called them “the Picts“. The cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis may be remembered in British myths of the disappearance of such legendary cities as “Mevonia”, now submerged somewhere in the middle of Irish Sea [note: the islands of the Irish Sea, e.g., Isle of Man, etc., were one time called the "Mevanian Islands".]; or “Lyonesse”, now submerged off Land’s End, Cornwall, England; and “Ker-Is“, now submerged in the English Channel off Brittany, France, which was part of a chain of islands that are all now gone except for the Channel Islands. The island-city of “Hy-Brazil“, which legend says is now submerged somewhere in the North Atlantic “far out to sea” off Ireland, is thought to actually be a reference to Atlantis, whose northern fringe may very well have reached as far north as the British Isles. The “lost cantref of Wales” [“Cantref-y-Gwaelod“], the “Lowlying Land”, which marked the ancient western coast-line of Wales, now submerged under Cardigan Bay, was flooded possibly at the sametime of the break-up of the island-city of Mevonia into the Irish Sea; which may have occurred possibly at the sametime of the disappearance of “the Green Islands”, now submerged off Milford Haven, Wales, in the Irish Sea. The “Triads” report “three awful events”, which were (1) an earthquake/volcano eruption [described as “a trembling of the fiery torrent, until the earth was rent to the abyss”], (2) an unusually hot summer [during which “the trees and plants took fire by the burning heat of the sun], and (3) a deluge [in which “the greatest part of the population of the isle was swept away by water”]. It has been suggested that this was the time of the formation of Iceland from a series of active volcanoes that rose high in the waters of the North Atlantic, which would accompany major physical upheavals in nature in the northern hemisphere. The destruction of Atlantis in a cataclysmic upheaval in nature may have put so much ash into the atmosphere that temperatures dropped causing what we call today a “nuclear winter”, resulting in a “mini-ice age”, which caused the population of Britain to drastically decline in numbers, which essentially opened up the country to conquest by the Battle-Axe People. There is a legend that the last King of Atlantis, sometimes called Cronos [II], or Crosus, or Crocus, was survived by an only child, a daughter, Antyllia [Electra], who escaped the destruction of Atlantis in the company of a group of ex-slaves of various Mediterranean nationalities, one of whom, a Greek prince, Corythus [Demetrius], she later was to marry and by him give birth to the epic hero Dardan, the ancestor of Brutus, who later found the British Iron Age Royal House. [Please note that this treats the plot of George Pal's movie Atlantis the Lost Continent as historically valid. The movie was based on an earlier play, but I see no reason to hold that the story represents any kind of legend or tradition-DD]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [REF: "Atlantis: The Antediluvian World", by Ignatius Donnelly, 1882; "Plato, the Atlantis story: Timaeus 17-27, Critias", by Christopher Gill, 1980; "Atlantis, the eighth continent", by Charles Berlitz, 1984; "Lost Atlantis: new light on an old legend", by John V. Luce, 1969; "The Megalith Builders", by Wallace E. Mackie, 1977; "Atlantean Traditions in Ancient Britain", by Anthony Roberts, 1977; "Atlantis of the west: the case for Britain's drowned megalithic civilization", by Paul Dunbavin, 2003; "Atlantis in Ireland", by Henry O'Brien, 1976; "Lost Cities of Atlantis, Ancient Europe & the Mediterranean", by David H. Childress, 1996; "Atlantis in America", by Lewis Spence, 1925; "Maya/Atlantis: Queen Moo and the Egyptian Sphinx", by Augustus Le Plongeon, 1896; "Atlantis and Egypt: with other selected essays", by John G. Griffiths, 1991; "From Atlantis to the Sphinx", by Colin Wilson, 1996; "Atlantis and The Giants", by Denis Saurat, 1957; "Giants: The Vanished Race of Mighty Men", by Roy Norvill, 1979; "Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum: or, the Giants in England", by Harold J. Massingham, 1926]
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  1. BTW, I started work on this September 5, which is Raquel Welch's Birthday. She shall be 70 this year. Happy, Birthday, Raquel!

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

  2. Hi Dale,

    From your accounts given above it would seem to me that the biblical flood occurred at an earlier time, probably at the end of the last ice age. Does this mean that the dates in the Old testament are incorrect?

    I assume that they were probably correct right around the time of Abraham, before then, there were tons of misinformation.



  3. Different manuscripts give different readings, and there are also different theories on how to interpret the numbers that are given, I understand that if you use the figures in the Greek Septaguint version and stack the lifespans of the patriarchs instead of overlapping them in the usually-undersood manner, you can get a flood date that is something like 8000 BC with an earlier date for the Garden of Eden that is a few thousand years earlier, about 10000-12000 BC. That is near enough to what I said myself that I have no problems with those numbers whatsoever. Of course other readings and other interpretations may differ.

    If you read the "Ten Kings before the Deluge" as dynasties then they would be stacked and not overlapping.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.


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