Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Saturday, August 13, 2011

Surveys of Atlantis Part 3

Muck and Margiani cf Gente et al.

The area of Atlantis as reconstructed by Gente et al, at about 5 million years ago, start of the Pliocene, at left and at end of Pleistocene, about 10000 years ago at right. The red ring marks the active volcanic hotspot underlying the land and the large fissures breaking the land apart are quite obvious.

The area of the new circle I have added in green is the most likely location for the great irrigated pliain of Atlantis: as we shall see below there is evidence for former subaerial watercourses running across it. To the right is the reconastruction by Muck of a comparable plan and also indicating the corresponding area as the Great Plain of Atlantis, marking out the measurements from Plato.

This is another chart indicating the arrangement of the canals and the dimensions of the Great Plain of Atlantis in a schematic drawing. Incidentally there is no way this area can fit into Crete or anywhere else inside the Mediterranean Sea.

This is a direct same-scale comparison of Muck's version of Atlantis with the derived-Island masses chart from the Gente et al article. The two are much the same but Muck leaves off much of the allowable land area to the South and West To include ONLY the Azores area and the Great Plain as to the South of it. Theses other areas are reported to show evidence of having been above water at one time from dredgings, including association with beach-erosional features and remnants of older coral reefs. Coral reefs only grow at the surface levels of the ocean, where the light penetrates: however the continental areas also have raised beaches from periods was higher than at present. In the evidence for Atlantis we not only have several reports of submerged beaches, we also have multiple beaches at different former sealevels in some locations. This speaks of long periods at sea level with brief older submergence episodes at som coastal locations. Some of the beach sands contain such things as remnant skeletons of sand fleas which of course only live on beaches above the water level. Jacques Costeau explored some of the adjoingng large seamounts to the South of this area and found erosional features which led him to believe they had once been islands above sea level. This was reported on one of his television specials.

Several researchers are impressed by Kircher's Atlantis map from Mundus Subterraneus (The Subterranean World) and have said it is the one most likely to represent what the original Atlantis was like. Otto Muck is one of the authors to say so.

The scale of Kircher's map is indefinite and the relative size of Atlantis in the middle of the North Atlantic is liable to be exaggerated. However the shape of the island is very close indeed especially considering the dent on the Eastern coast of Atlantis. The West Coast is less accurate but thought of as basically "Straight" which is near enough true: we can expect the Ancients in the Old World to have been better acquainted with the Eastern coast of Atlantis than the West. The general assumption by many authors is that this map was preseved in Egypt together with the other "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings"

Another author to use Kircher's map is K. Margiani, who reorients the island at a slight tilt so as to include more of the known higher ground to the West of this area. In doing this he has drawn fire from both critics and supporters of Atlantis, who often state that he has done this without giving any good reason to assume it is so. My own independant research caused me to doubt this construction as well, but Margiani has come up with several valuable observations which can still be supported as Scientific evidence. Statements from Mariani (together with the link to the message board where they were posted) are below a selection of his charts which are supposed to indicate tsubmerged river courses now on the Ocean floor.

"Russian investigations [Quoting Zhirov here] show that the Atlantic basin is unstable. They took samples of the seabed suggesting that 10,000 years ago the mid-Atlantic ridge was above the surface of the Atlantic. Cores found at the12,000 feet level carry life forms usually seen in fresh-water lakes and sediment found in shallow water and upon dry land. Just as underwater debris can be raised to great heights [a few miles-DD] above sea level to form mountain chains, the reverse is also true.
Prof. Hans Pettersson, leader of the Swedish Albatross expeditions, which extracted hundreds of samples from the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean throughout the 1930's, stated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge was mainly above water as recently as 15,000 years ago. A similar conclusion had been reached earlier by the German Gauss expedition, which sounded the Romanche Deep in 1901.
In 1936, Charles S. Piggot's famous U.S. Geological Survey of deep core soundings indicated that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge reached above the surface of the ocean 10,000 to 20,000 years ago. Different sediment deposits on each side of the Ridge showed that the Ridge once separated two [ocean]currents moving in opposite directions. Heavy deposits of volcanic ash on both slopes were dated at 12,000 years ago.[over the entire floor of the North Atlantic, basically-DD] (Piggot, 1937)
Still another oceanographic expedition, Swedish Deep-Sea Expedition of 1947-1948, yielded core samples containing sand from the Romanche Deep along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Dr. Otto Mellis did not publish these findings until ten years later (Mellis, 1958). Other geologists have guardedly admitted that the Azore Islands (Central Atlantic) are composed chiefly of continental material, some even conceding that there might be enough continental material (sial) in the mid-Atlantic to make up a landmass the size of Spain (de Camp, 1970). This is not much smaller than the size I have been proposing for the island of Atlantis."
[As for the last statement; Muck, Leonard and I all came to that same conclusion separately and independantly. "An Island the size of Spain" is all we are asking for. And critics such as deCamp and Kukal have never denied there once WAS such an island in the middle of the North Atlantic and attached to the Azores-DD]
"I’ve tried many maps but only Kircher’s map could explain many secrets. Kircher was a Jesuit German priest, who lived between 1602-1680. He published “Mundus Subterraneus”, a book containing a map of Atlantis according to ancient Egyptian maps. The original map was taken from Egypt by the Romans, probably around 30 AD. I want to say that the map maybe during difficult millenniums is slowly stretched. There are many details that almost exactly connected to the sunken terrain. Of course the Kircher’s map as well as my map of Atlantis is near to the truth. Outlines of main three islands on the map are approximately. All map show almost real territories of the sunken kingdom. Eastern part of North America by the global interaction was uplifted. The pre-flood coastal zone by comparison to the modern maps was very different . The line to the mainland shows pre-flood coastal zone of the uplifted platform after global drift and huge interaction within pre-flood time. The Atlantis by huge pressure of three surrounded thick platforms was formed. Atlantis was marine power and all pre-flood islands and continents had been captured by them. Easter Islands, Andes, Egypt, Mesopotamia, India and other places have the Atlantian-tracks. One scholar said that “there had been early developed mother culture which had contacts to the all other developing cultures all over the Earth.
The arrow at the corners shows direction of pre-flood and modern magnetic fields. Two mountains on the Kircher’s map are volcanoes. The arc-lines from the peaks of both mountains, on the Kircher’s map show simple volcanic activity. Both volcanoes (X) are on the Mid-Atlantic ridge. strange would be the fault zone without volcanoes. The uplifted ridge without volcanoes would be much more unbelievable. Huge outflows over the Mid Atlantic Ridge could change the volcano coordinates as well. The new fissure outflow zones at the boundary by pre-flood rivers are crossed. Some small lithosphere slabs at the fissure boundaries by ejected masses are broken out. directions of the rivers from mountains to the coastal zones are plausible. Exactly coordinates where fourth river flowing to the pre-flood bay between two mountain chains are that:Latitude: 33:31 N, Longitude: 28:42 W.
Modern coordinates of the "trident peaks" about 400 miles off Portugal at the half way from the Gibraltar to the Golden City:
1. Left peak – Latitude: 36:51 N, Longitude: 14:26 W.
2. Middle peak – Latitude: 37 N, Longitude: 14:10 W.
3. Right peak – Latitude: 37:02 N, Longitude: 13:52 W. "

[The three peaks are indicated by the white circles in the center one of Margiani's photo charts given above. Of far greater interest to me are the river courses, which may or may not correspond to his interpretation of Kircher's map: anything so important as former riverbeds at the bottom of the ocean warrants our attention. One of the more impressive geological freatures mentioned in The Shining Ones (at the Golden Age Project) and quoted by Graham Hancock in Underworld is that the erosioal features around the sea floor of the Azores indicate a former abovewater erosional gradient, where the Azores show evidence of having been the high grounds and then the lower slopes show evidence of having been flowing from the high grounds to lower levels. These riverbeds continue the trend to much lower levels still, and the bed of the area is covered with a fine-grained deposit that looks much like river silt from a delta or wetlands region. this would be the Irrigated area, and others have claimed to see the rectilinear grids described by Plato in this area.
Unfortunately, this matter is confused by a Google image showing what looks like rectilinear canals but deeper in the sea bed and off this "Island" area to the East. Margiani quotes this also but it is only an artifact of the recording device making the survey. That is another thing which hurts Margiani's position and throws doubt on all similar claims. However I have seen the evidence for the "Canal Grid network" in this area South of the Azores and I am satisfied that it is not due to a similar artefact.

I have mentioned this before but I feel I need to say it again. Firstly, the Great Plain of Atlantis is to be understood as being only roughly rectangular ("Oblong" in some translations) but the desctription is presented as a mathematical exercise and so it is assumed to be rectangular. Secondly, the dimensions of the sides of the plain, the number of lots, the number of inhabitants of the land and the size of the army of Atlantis are all in an exact mathematical relationship to each other and you CANNOT change any of the figures and keep the figures right. You cannot, for example, shrink the lengths of the side measures by ten because then you have caused the calamitous reduction of the plain to 1% of its proper size. There is no way the plain can produce the specified size of the army and navy at a puny 1% of the necessary size. It is ALWAYS best to check your maths.

That is one reason I like Muck: his figures check out. I've done the math.

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Best Wishes, Dale D.


  1. Incidentally, not emphasized enough in the Gente article is the fact that the Azores platform Island would ride much higer in earlier ages when there was a full tank of magma to float it up. The current depressed condition of the MAR has to do with the fact that the magma chamber below it has been emptied out and the whole area is depressed to a lower depth because of this. The East Pacific and Indian Ocean ridges ride higher with a different underwater profile because they currently have active magma chambers beneath them. Conservative estimates make out the difference with the removal of the magma chambers as two or three kilometers and perhaps more: it makes for a major subsidence. Scientific estimates of the subsidence at the Azores can quote a figure of 9000-10000 feet in the regular Oceanography sourcebooks. I believe that figure comes from the Scientific American.

    6000 feet in depression is certainly quoted several times in connection to this feature, and it is cited as a recent development in mountain (volcano) building in the Azores.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

  2. I have received a communication from Mr. Kakha Margiani and he objects to the phrase
    “he has done this without giving any good reason to assume it is so." I must point out that I was not stating this as my opinion but under the conditions of "his critics have said this"

    Mr. Margiani sent several links along with his posting which was intended to go here. Unfortunately the links he sent came out as broken, probably due to Blogger's processing of them. Rather than go through and print them the way they are, I invite Kakha Margiani to post here as a guest blogger and he shall be able to post working links in the blog articles naturally. I shall give him a virtual free hand with only my additional commentary should I feel the need to clarify something to my own tastes, and if I would do that I would of course be identifying my comments as my own and not his. I would be pleased if he would want to make an ongoing series of this. Kakha Margiani may contact me at any time at and I shall be only too happy to discuss the matter.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.


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