Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Saturday, July 16, 2011

"Homo erectus in the New World" from Patagonian Monsters

"Erectus Masks"-recent Native depictions of what could be heavy-browed Homo erectus types still living in South America

From the Patagonian Monsters blogs: an illustration of a Homo erectus reconstruction and a reconstruction of the erectus-like Dorenberg skull found in Mexico

Possible Homo erectus skullcaps found in South America as illustrated in this series.

One of the very usful sites on the internet on Cryptozoology in general is Austin Whittall's Patagonian Monsters site: when it comes to down to the specialized area of most Southern South America, it is indispensible: but sometimes getting to the Patagonian part of the story involves a large part of the outside world and a few million years. This is one such case in which Austin theorises that Homo erectus might be present in recent Southernmost South America to account for Wild Men stories there. I am not going to interfere with his presentation but I am going to present his introductory blog posting here and then indicate links for all of the pertinent blog postings following thereafter. I do notice that there are places where other authors might say "Neanderthal", "Heidelburg", "Solo" or even "Australoid" in some of the places where he says erectus. Since it is his theory I shall not attempt to alter or criticize his terminology.

Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Homo erectus in America?
Copyright Austin Whittall, Patagonian Monsters blog

In a previous post on Patagonian ogres and hairy giants, I suggested that this variety of Patagonian Bigfoot, might be a surviving Homo erectus, a direct ancestor of modern man (we are Homo sapiens).

Today I will look into this interesting subject. Interesting because, official orthodox archaeology does not believe that H. erectus ever reached America, and does not place modern man here earlier than some 20,000 years ago.

However, there is some controversial evidence (dismissed by mainstream archaeologists) that suggests an earlier peopling of America, roughly a quarter of a million years ago.

Recent survival of Homo erectus.

Homo erectus is an extinct species of humans that lived between 1,8 million years ago and at least 200,000 years ago (and probably even later than this last date). That is, during the Pleistocene Epoch. These hominids were intelligent creatures and manufactured stone tools, which we classify as belonging to the Acheulian culture. They were the first men to master fire. They were also explorers and were the first humans to break out of Africa, our birthplace and spread across the Old World.

Their remains have been found in Europe, Asia (as well as Africa). The oldest fossils are found in Africa, where they continued evolving into modern men. The African strain is different in comparison to the other H. erectus populations of the Old World and have been classed in a separate species named Homo ergaster. There is some debate whether H. ergaster or H. erectus is our direct ancestor.

Their use of a novel stone tool technology and fire, made them successful in spreading around the Old World and occupying different environments.

This may have been due to their larger brain size in comparison to our other older and more primitive ancestors. Their cranial capacities ranged from between 700 cm3 to 1,250 cm3, averaging 900 cm3. Their skulls had a thick cranial bone and large browridges over their eyes. Their braincase was long and low, with a receeding forehead.

They were not small like their ancestors, an adult H. erectus could weigh over 45 kg (100 lb) and measure 1,67 m (5 ft. 6 in).

Fossils of H. erectus found at Ngandong, Java, have been dated to as recently as 53,000 to 27,000 years ago. These dates were obtained by Carl Swisher of the Berkeley Geochronology Center and colleagues. [1]. This is interesting because, it indicates an overlapping with modern man who arrived in that area roughly some 40 to 50 thousand years ago. So, if they managed to get to America, they could have also overlapped with modern man during some 20 to 30,000 years (which, would mean that they may have survived until a relatively recent date, or even still be alive somewhere out there).

In America?

During the late 1960s, at a site close to Mexico City, Mexico, named Valsequillo Reservoir, in the State of Puebla, some geologists of the United States Geology Survey (USGS) dated possible hominid remains as being 250,000 years old!. The team was led by archaeologist Cynthia Irving-Williams, and the results were published in a reputable scientific journal in 1969 [5] but were quickly dismissed by mainstream archaeologists as being ridiculously old (nearly ten times the accepted dates for human presence in America - the Clovis First theory). [2]

These remains are part of a:
"rapidly growing dating evidence from fission- track, U-series, diatoms extinct by the end of the Last Interglacial Stage (Sangamonian), etc. for (pre-Wisconsinan) humans in America (>80,000 yr BP), which has been ignored or denied by members of the American archaeological establishment " . [3]

So, they may be modern human (i.e. Homo sapiens) remains that predate the orthodox time-frame of some 20,000 years for human arrival to America.

Other ancient remains of stone tools have been found at Calico [4] in California, US at around the same time. They have been dismissed by mainstream archaeology as natural (not human) artifacts.


As far as I am concerned, the case remains open and undefined. The evidence is interesting and definitively points to an early peopling of America.

H. erectus had the brains and the physical aptitude to trek from China (his known northernmost habitat) to America through Beringia, just like modern man would do later. He could also have rowed along the coastal waters of Asia, Beringia and America all the way down to Southern Chile.

Lack of interest and funding (specially in South America, where research is restricted due to lack of governmental or private support) to look into these non-conventional ideas may delay the final proof, but it will surely be unearthed in the near future.

Impact on cryptozoology. Leaving aside Bigfoot for my North American colleagues, as it is not a Patagonian "monster", the presence of H. erectus could account for many native Patagonian myths regarding "ogres" or "man slaying" primitive men, it can also explain the "wild-men" legends and some "hairy" or "ape-like" creatures reported in Patagonia.

[1] Mark Rose, (1997). Homo Erectus Survival. Archaeology. Vol. 50 Number 2, March/April 1997
[2] Christopher Hardaker and Charles Naeser, (2007). The First American: The Suppressed Story of the People Who Discovered the New World. Career Press.
[3] Sam L. Vanlandingham. Extraordinary Examples of Deception in Peer Reviewing: Concoction of the Dorenberg Skull Hoax and Related Misconduct. Online.
[4] Chris Hardaker, (2010). The Abomination of Calico. Pleistocene coalition news, Vol 2. No. 5 pp. 10. Oct. 2010.
[5] Barney J. Szaboa, Harold E. Maldea and Cynthia Irwin-William, (1969). Dilemma posed by uranium-series dates on archaeologically significant bones from Valsequillo, Puebla, Mexico. Earth and Planetary Science Letters. Vol. No. 4, July 1969, Pages 237-244

Conclusion to part 3:
My suggestion is that: erectus kept on the move, entered America a long time ago (maybe 500 to 300 thousand years ago) and evolved here into dolichocephalic modern humans along the lines of the Multiregional hypothesis.

These were the Paleoindians. So we rid ourselves of the notion of an ancient first wave of humans or Paleoamericans. These in turn, were overtaken by a wave of Old World brachicephalic humans some ten thousand years ago.

Wildman Illustration anf another reconstruction for H.erectus

"Wild Man of the Woods" early illustration and reconstruction for "Pithecanthropus". This also suggests my older CFZ blog posting on the Australian Yowie as Homo erectus.


  1. I jut received this communication from Austin Whittal:

    Dear Dale,
    Yes, I do remember that we communicated before.
    Please feel free to use my material as long as due credit is given. Your suggestion is fine with me.
    The H. erectus in America is a fascinating subject and I am surprised that formal scientists have not given it much more relevance. It seems that anything older than 30 K years is anathema with them!
    Best regards

    And it pleases me to post it here. Best Wishes, Dale D.

  2. I have been on three Patagonia tours in the past two years. Words cant explain how great these tours are. They are unlike any other tour i have been on

  3. Well, if you have been that route and done the tours, there is perhaps something you could help me out.

    Go to the more recent posting here, you shall have to cut and paste the link. Please let me know if you have heard anything about such a photo:

    And many thanks if you can help me out there!
    Best Wishes, Dale D.

  4. Q:can you tell me about phonetics on the basis of geographical regions??
    -Shashikant Tembhekar

  5. I have no idea what you are talking about or why it should be relevant to this posting. This posting refers to several postings previously made on the Patagonian Monsters site by Austin Whittall. If you see something to query you should take it to him on that other site. I have posted above the notice, "Since it is his theory I shall not attempt to alter or criticize his terminology." and I believe that situation covers your question.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

  6. Shashikant, Perhaps you did not phrase your question well and I did not realize what you meant, and perhaps you erred in posting your query at the end of what was really somebody else's work. I am sorry if I sounded overly harsh and abrupt. Perhaps you might explain what you meant by your question in the context of this posting or simply rephrase it? It just seemed inappropriate to me at first.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.

  7. well I read your blog you've well practical knowledge about archaeology and my question is that by example:- if you say any country name after that those phonetic keep constant and during this say any sentence,you'll observe your sound is different from your vocal chord.Nomenclature of countries is kept according to their phonetic in language and their country name.How phonetic and their language came to existence in different geographical location on Earth from prehistoric era???

  8. Shashikant, you are posting to a blog entry where your questions are inappropriate. Did you wish to contact me by private email so that we could discuss the matter in better privacy? you may write me at at any time.


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