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Sunday, May 15, 2011

More Connections Between Ancient India and Mexico

In the book Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism, Indian historian Purushothoma Chon mentioned that the Nagas of Tibet even had a similar bar and dot counting system to the Mayas of Mesoamerica, along with the same names for the place values. The use of a symbol for zero occurs in both sets of numerals, almost exclusively out of all the world's mathematical systems (in Mesopotamia a blank space was left to covey the idea of zero)

The Astrological system of the Mayans was also stated to be derived from an Indian original and with similar names to the same signs. I shall have to make a longer discussion of this in the future since I have the material in xeroxes in my files but currently no way to put up scans on the blog.

Here is a section from a recent blog which I thought was relevant to the matter of transPacific diffusion of culture between ancient India and the Mayans of the New World:

http://indiansrgr8.blogspot.com/2011/05/maya-civilization-of-mexico-baffling.html?spref=tw

Maya Civilization of Mexico. Baffling Links with Ancient IndiaBy Anand Sharma
May 11, 2011

[...passing down to the second half for the pertinent info I wanted to mention]
There are two specific archaeological discoveries pertaining to 761 AD, about which
most Mexican historians are silent, that attract our attention as possible links of Maya civilization to ancient India. The first one is a wall panel (Panel No. 3 of Temple 0-13, at Piedras Negras, Guatemala; reproduced as Plate 69, page 343 of 'The Ancient Maya' by S.G. Morley) belonging to the Later Classic Stage of Mexican history, associated with the peaking of Maya architecture and sculpture. Mexican historians have not given any interpretation of this panel. It appears that the scene depicted in the panel relates to the great Indian epic 'Ramayana'. [Emphasis added-DD] It shows a king sitting on the throne and one maidservant with two children standing on the right side of the throne. A guard stands behind the three. On the other side of the king,
three important personages are standing whereas the vassal chiefs and important feudatories are sitting in front of the throne. The king on the throne is believed to be Suryavanshi Ram with his three illustrious brothers standing by his side. The two little children are his two sons with a maid and a guard behind them. Amongst the three persons on the right, two are engaged in a discussion whereas the third one, apparently Lakshman, is standing with a bold, brave and confident demeanour which was characteristic of him. The above panel is a beautiful piece of sculpture and an evidence of great Mayan heritage, their artistic taste and superior creative ability and, above all, an archaeological evidence to prove India's link with Mexico in the 8th century at least.

The artistic design and postures of the figures carved can be compared to those found at Ajanta and Ellora caves in India. This interpretation, however, remains only a plausible one till the hieroglyphics and frescoes surrounding the wall panel are deciphered.

Another archaeological discovery at the same place i.e. Piedras Negras, Guatemala, is a stone stela (No. 12, Plate No. 18, page 61 of 'The Ancient Maya' by S.G. Morley). A mythological scene has been carved in this stela, depicting the architectural and artistic maturity of the Maya people of the Classic Stage (594 - 889 AD).

There is a beautiful image of a deity with eight hands (ashtabhuja). The art style is discernibly Indian as in no other religion of the world deities of this type were worshipped. It may be mentioned that the ruling dynasty of Mexico at the time of the conquest by Spaniards was 'Aztec' or Ashtak (Eight). The evidence in the form of such images leaves little doubt about the presence of Indian culture amongst the ancient Mexicans. The stela pertains to the period of more than eight centuries before Columbus set foot on the soil of the so-called New World.

The place where these pieces have been discovered - Piedras Negras - appears to
be a distorted form of 'Priyadarsh Nagraj' in Sanskrit, as has been the case with so
many words distorted by European pronunciation.

These stone sculptures are adornments of a Mayan temple and depict some popular mythology prevalent amongst the people of the time. Both human sacrifice
and idolatry were much in practice amongst Maya people. Morley has given a
detailed and vivid account of Maya culture and society in his book 'The Ancient
Maya', profusely quoting Bishop Diego de Landa.

Bishop Landa states that Maya people "…had a very great number of idols and
temples which were magnificent in their own fashion and besides the community
temples, the lords, priests and leading men also had oratories and idols in their houses where they made their prayers and offerings in private". Not only of gods but idols of even animals and insects were prepared by Maya people, who believed in immortality of soul and afterlife. This definitely smacks of an Indian connection.

More serious efforts to connect the ancient American civilizations with those of ancient India have to be made. The Trans-Pacific contacts of the people of south-east Asia with the people of ancient America have been established beyond doubt. It is also a well-proven fact of history that Indians of ancient times were great sea-farers. In pre-Mahabharata era as well as in the subsequent period,
the kings of southern India possessed large fleets used for trade with the Arabian and European countries where Indian merchandise was much in demand. India's links with south-east Asia and other far-off islands of the Pacific Ocean are an established fact of history. The conquest of Malaya by Rajendra Chola, the story of
Buddhagupta the Great Sailor (Mahanavik), the religious expeditions of Indians to preach the gospel of Buddhism in the distant lands of Cambodia, Annam, Bali, Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Japan, Korea, Mongolia and China are proofs of the impact
of Indian culture.

A remarkable feature of the Indian culture has been that colonial domination was never identified with economic exploitation. The Buddhist Jatakas (folk tales) narrate many stories relating to maritime adventures and daring sea journeys which establish that such activities were an essential part of Indian life at that time.

[The author is a historian settled in Vienna. ]
A previous discussion from Viewzone is now at the URL
http://viewzone2.com/ancientturksx.html

-Which however makes some statements which I find not only misleading but potentially very harmful and which I do not choose to deal with at this time, involving traditions of the Iranians and Turanians (Aryans and the Turks), both ethnic labels that have been badly misused in the past and must be handled most carefully by modern researchers in order to keep out of some extremely nasty associations. However, the parts which I wanted to mention do not directly involve those matters.

Who Brought The Mayans To Mexico?or
Were the ancient Turks, Akkads (Sumerians) and Dravidians (Tamils) the parents of Mexico and Meso-America?


By Gene D. Matlock


THE FOREFATHERS OF THE MAYANS SET SAIL FOR MESO-AMERICA.


The time is about 1,500 BC.[and onward until approximately 500 BC-DD] A fleet of Tamil ships in some harbor of the Konkan or Kankon, a beautiful white sand coastline stretching from today a­s Maharasthra to the southern tip of Western India, raises anchor and sails south to what is now the large island nation of Ceylon (today a­s Sri Lanka). Their goal is to sail to Patala or what is now Mexico and Meso-America, leaving emigrant settlers there. During their stay in Ceylon, they recruit skilled stone workers, skilled craftsmen, and temple builders in the province of Maya, to build a new Tamil civilization over or alongside an Akkad-type (Sumerian) civilization that was already in Meso-America: that of the Olmecs or Olman.



Zikari at Konkan


The ancient Tamils were international traders and colonizers. Wherever they went in the world, they left an unmistakable imprint of their presence, such as place names, foods, games, and temple buildings. Their temple buildings were usually zikharis (tiered or pyramidical temple platforms). Often, small entrances or temples were located on each tier, but not always. On the top tier, there was always a temple. On top if it often stood an ornate rectangular steeple. However, circular domes or single spires often stood on top of the temple as well. Zikharis usually varied in appearance, according to the Dravidian or Tamil-derived cultures of the host nations. But one thing never changed: the unmistakable presence of Tamil influence.

[So far so good, as far as what is stated plainly. The problem comes in the next section with national and ethnic identities which I shall pass over for the reasons I have indicated-DD]

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THE MAYANS WERE TAMILS.
I am now ready to return to the hypothetical voyage of Tamils to America. They probably used two types of maps. The map below-left shows Mt. Meru with petals pointing in four directions. The left petal points toward a distant land called Ketumal or Chetumal. In order to reach that land, they had to go eastward in order to avoid sailing around the tip of Africa. They knew where they were going, for they had been there before! The map below-right was their own map of the world.




The Mayans said that the land of their forefathers lay 150 days westward.[?]

When the Tamils arrived in North America, they crossed over to what is now the Caribbean Sea, through the Isthmus of Panama (The Great Crossing). After coming out the other side, they docked in the safe harbor of Chetumal. It still bears the same name. Chetumal harbor is in Belize. Belize derives from Belisha (God Shiva).

Later, they left Chetumal, sailing up the coast to a place reminding them of the beauty of their old home in Konkan. They dropped anchor and made their first home in America there. Not surprisingly, they decided to name their new home Kankun (Cancun). After thousands of years, the last syllable has barely changed in pronunciation.

When the Tamils settled in Yucatan, they built their typical zikharis, such as those of Tikal and Palenque. At Tikal, they stained their stone monuments a reddish color, just as they had done back in the Konkan.




People are surprised to see stone images of elephants in Mayan country, such as the following one in Copan. It may be a reminder of the elephants in India.




Right: Stone engraving [Stela-DD] of a Hindu mahout, complete with turban, riding on the head of an elephant. Some authorities, who do not agree with me that the Mayans came from abroad, think Southern Mexico once had elephants. The truth is that they worshiped a long-nosed god (Chac) or elephant, just as the Hindu Tamils worshiped the elephant-headed Ganesha in India. [The author missed out on Indra, the obvious Indian deity most like the Thunder-gods, and a deity mounted on an elephant-DD]

Chak was the long-nosed Mayan God of thunder, lightning, rain, and crops. His elephantine trunk sprayed water on the earth. His equivalent in other parts of the world was Zeus, Dyaus, Jupiter, Ca, Jah, Ju, Jahve, Jehova Jeho, Sakh, Sagg, Sa-ga-ga, Sakko, Zagg, Zax. a.k.a. Zeus, is often depicted holding a serpentine thunderbolt and a grail, or someone is handing it to him. The Mayan Chak is equally depicted.

LINGUISTIC EVIDENCE THAT THE MAYANS WERE FROM CEYLON.
[There is also good evidence that the Ceylonese people in this instance are related to the South Indians, who had a similar language and similar names: and a longstanding confusion exists whereby Sumatra gets called by the names for Ceylon. In my point of view these things do not count against the theory because I do not require that Ceylon specifically be the origin for the migration, only that it is the center of a cultural area from which the colonists came. That Sumatra is also called by the same nammes as Ceylon merely indicates the route by which ancient peoples travelled. The Romans for example seem to have meant Sumatra where they said Taprobane-DD]
They gave several names that directly and indirectly identified Ceylon: Shilanka (Xilanca) - an ancient name of Ceylon (Zeilan-Ka).

Shikalanka (Xicalanca) - Ceylon. In Tamil, Shikalam.

Itzamna was one of their culture heroes. He claimed to have come from a western country. Isham, meaning 'Tiger, ""Land of Gold," was a Dravidian name of Ceylon. The Na in Isham-na is an honorific.

Ishbalanka (Xbalanca), another culture hero. In Tamil, it means "Shiva of Lanka." India's God Shiva was supposed to have made the footprint on top of Adam's Peak in today's Sri Lanka. {Shiva is DEFINITELY known to have been a God worshipped in the Indus Valley civilisation-and as one of a trinity also-DD]

Shibalba, The Mayan underworld. This word stems From the Sanskrit Shivulba, meaning from the fountainhead of God Shiva-Mt. Meru, in India.

Palenke (Palenque). This name derives from the Tamil Pal-Lanka, meaning "Protectorate of Lanka." Ancient Lanka was India's Atlantis.
[Evidently the name Lanka is a version of the name Atlantis. This is not really so odd as it seems because there are dozens of other locations around the Atlantic Ocean supposedly called after Atlantis, according to Charles Berlitz, including more than one place called Atlan in Mesoamerica-DD]

The Yaxilan (Yakshilan) Mayan ruins. This name means ìThe Ceylon Yakhsî in Sanskrit.

Ceren, a name of Ceylon. Some Mayan ruins in El Salvador are called Ceren.

Lacandon, a tribe of Yucatan. India's god Kubera banished the Laks, a Tartarian Huna or Rakshasha tribe from Northern India to Ceylon, giving the country one of its many names and becoming the Lakan or Lakam people. The Don in Lacan-don derives from Dan (Tannu or Dannu?). (See the online Cologne Sanskrit and Tamil dictionaries for comparison of ancient Ceylon names with those of Mayan tribes and places.)


THE THREE PROVINCES OF ANCIENT CEYLON.
Ancient Ceylon was divided into three provinces: Maya, the central division of the island; Ruhuna (Soul of Huna Land), and Pihitee, the northernmost of the three. The Ceylonese Maya were known for their impressive astronomical knowledge, architectural marvels, temples, and irrigation ponds. (Reference: The History of Ceylon, by William Knighton, first published in Colombo Ceylon, in 1845.)

One of the names of Ceylon's cult religions was Mayon. It still exists among a few aboriginals living on the island.

Most of the Rakshasa and Pisaca bad boys were Tartarian Hunas, They came from Huna-Bhu, meaning Hunas (Tartars) from the Sacred Land around Mt. Meru. Many of these tribes were cannibalistic, given to intertribal fighting, practitioners of human sacrifice in their religious rites, flattened the foreheads of their babies, took scalps in battle, and observed other customs attributed to many Amerindian tribes. The Mayans remember them as the culture hero, Hunapu (Huna-Bhu?).

Had the natives of Meso-America been able to pronounce the "ST" combination, today's Yucatan would be Yucasthan (Yakhuthan?). Even today, many Mexican Indians and peasants cannot pronounce this combination. For example, instead of CÛmo est·? (How are you?), they can only say, "CÛmo 't·?"

Guatemala derives from Sanskrit Guadhaamala, meaning Guha (Cosmic Intelligence) + Dha (Serpentine) + Amala (Umbilical Cord), the Sacred Umbilical Cord Linking Western Asia and India with Meso-America. Besides the Ceylonese and Tamil tribal names Yakkha, Maya, and Lak in Maya country, there are also the Lenca and Rama tribes. The Mayan lowlands are even called Guanacaste, meaning The Western Enlightened Nagas. It is assumed that the Olmecs spoke Nahuatl because of the place-names they left behind. The Olmecs called the Maya country in Southeastern Veracruz, Coatzacoalcos (Snake Sanctuary). Snake Sanctuary was none other than the home of the Western or American Nagas.

Originally, the Asuras or Nagas were not only a civilized people, but a maritime power,Kadru, the mother of serpents, compelled Garuda (the Eagle or Hawk) to serve her sons by transporting them across the sea to a beautiful land, which was inhabited by Nagas. The Asuras (Nagas) were expert navigators who possessed very considerable naval resources and had founded upon distant coasts. (The Encircled Serpent by M. Oldfield, p. 47.)

Even today, the Mexican flag has an Eagle with a serpent in its mouth, representing the arrival of the ancient Mexicans to Meso-America. It also represents the arrival of the Meshika to what is now Mexico City.

The Tamils and all the tribes of Meso-America, from Mexico to Panama, played the same board game: Pachesi. The Meso-Americans called it by a linguistically similar name: Patolli. (Note: CH and T are linguistically similar. LL was the only way the Renaissance Spaniards could approximate the sounds of Z and J. This proves that Patolli derived from Pachesi.) I myself saw a Patolli board game at the National Museum of Costa Rica, in San Jose.



[Above Left: Mr. Subash Bose displays an ancient Tamil Pachesi board kept as a relic in the temple of his area. The Tamils and all the tribes of Meso-America, from Mexico to Panama, played the same board game: Pachesi. Right
: The Meso-Americans called it by a linguistically similar name: Patolli. (Note: CH and T are linguistically similar. LL was the only way the Renaissance Spaniards could approximate the sounds of Z and J. This proves that Patolli derived from Pachesi.) I myself saw a Patolli board game at the National Museum of Costa Rica, in San Jose.]

BOTH THE MEXICAN INDIANS & TAMILS ATE TAMALES WITH THE SAME NAME!
The Tamils and Turks even gave some of their favorite dishes to the ancient Mexicans, and with the same names! I will name just two of them: Tamales and Corundas. The ancient Tamils were known as Tamils or Tamals. One of their favorite foods was a type of paste or filling wrapped in bamboo husk. Even in Tamil Nadu it is called Tamal. The Michoacanos have a similar triangular shaped tamal called Corunda. In Turkic it would be kur-unda (Turkic dough).
[There is also an Indian word related to the English word "Soup":in Peru a very similar word is pronounced "Chupay." And many Quechua words can be related to Sanscrit originals including the names llama (lamb), alpaca and guanaco (similar to a Sanscrit word meaning "Gazelle." That will of course form the basis for a separate discussion)-DD]

My Tamil Nadu friend, Mr. Subash Bose, pointed out to me the fact that Hindus often worship cobras and that the Mayans worshipped rattlesnakes. He said that Mayan huts look exactly like those in Tamil Nadu.

The Kuberas even gave their name to North America. The Meso-Americans told the Spaniards that North America was Quivira (Land of the Khyber People).

Most of us have heard of the Mayan holy book, Chilam Balam. Chilan or Chilam is a title of Mayan priests. Balam is the Mayan name for Jaguar. In Sanskrit, Cheilan = Ceylonese and Vyalam = tiger; lion; hunting leopard. Jaguar probably stems from the Sanskrit Higkara, meaning Tiger-like or sounding like a tiger.

....The presence of Dravidian, Turkic, and Sanskrit words in America shouldn'­t surprise anyone, for the Aryans and Indians (Ramanaka) traveled together throughout the world. In his book, El Origen de los Indios, the Spanish priest, Gregorio Perez, wrote that the Caribbean Indians said that their founding fathers were the Kuru-Rumani.

Some Dravidians think Sanskrit sprang from Dravidian, but my research does not indicate this...[On the other hand, there is a general agreement among scholars that the Dravidians were the people who had created the Indus Valley civilzation and they were at that time in control of nearly all the rest of India-DD]
In this article, I have just presented a tiny part of the evidence in my possession, pointing to the Indian and Ceylonese origins of the Mayans. I have decided to end this article by recounting what the Jesuit priest Francisco Xavier Clavigero wrote in Volume I of his Historia Antigua de Messico (Ancient History of Mexico). Clavigero said that the Chiapaneco Mayans told him that a grandson of Noah, Votan, took people to people America. He was from the Chan (Naga or Serpent) tribe. They said that he came from the East, bringing seven groups with him. Two other leaders (Groups?) had also previously brought in settlers: Igh and Imox. He built a great city, now known as Palenque, call Nauchan, meaning City of the Serpents. When Noah emerged from the Ark, he and his people built their first city, calling it Nashan (The Noachide Chan).

Votan founded three tributary monarchies called Tulan, Mayapan, and Chiquimala. The ruins of Tulan are those of Tula, Hidalgo, Mexico. Mayapan is the Yucatan peninsula itself. I have not yet located the region of Chiquimala. Perhaps it is Guatemala or the Mayan province of Tzequil.

Like many Europoids ignorant of India and its history, Clavigero tried to place them in Cartagena, Africa, Rome, and even Spain...Had he been more knowledgeable about ancient India and Ceylon, he would have known that they were Ceylonese, for in Tamil, VALAM POTAM means Place of Boats. Valam Potan (Ceylon) was located between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, where the trade winds are. The differences between Valum Votan and Valam Potam are trivial.

Notice the following map showing the sea and land routes of the ancient Tamils. Below it, you'll notice the words Oceanus Indicus (Indian Ocean). The ancient maps which the Spaniards used to get to America showed the same terms: Mar Indica; Oceanus Indica. From where did they obtain those maps showing that the eastern end of Oceanus Indica was America? [A: the name is a Roman name and this map is a map of trade routes in Roman times. The Spanish have a Latin heritage. That one was easy-DD]

[On the other hand this map is a good indication of how far these peoples were KNOWN to have gotten around BEFORE Roman Times, since they were using pre=existing trade routes-DD]

The stone heads staring at the sea, from the shores of Easter Island, tell us a lot about the ancient sailors they'­re supposed to represent. Notice their [red-topknot]headpieces. Could they be Tamil turbans?


10 comments:

  1. Then are the Mayans the thirteenth tribe of the Jewish nations? יהודה

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  2. Can you share the copies across pls.

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  3. Greetings from a like minded Indian Researcher and Engineer :)
    this is a remarkable research and finding, btw how do u know so much about India ??

    i would like to know more about your research and about you.
    also i have subscribed to you here :)
    would like to meet you personally someday
    i wonder what do u think about Indian gods connection with aliens, i personally believe they were not from this planet rather they came here and helped us to build civilization and then returned.

    reply me soon

    regards
    Amrit Pati

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  4. Seven stones represents the tamil god worship even now, refer below video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDhZBFwewao

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  5. How did they cross the isthmus of Panama from the Pacific to the Caribbean side, then travel north to Belize? Why didn't they just settle on the Pacific coast?

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  6. They did settle on the Pacific side. There still are the settlements there. They filled in the isthmus entirely, west to east, included Belize, and later added Yucatan. There is an earlier blog which deals with this.

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  7. Anecdotes aside, can you provide in your blog, references to academic journals, peer reviewed papers stating and backing everything claimed/stated in the post above?
    All i read is rehashed posts which i can see in multiple webpages aiming at a failed attempt to prove that there was a ancient connection between the Ancient Indian Sub Continent and South America.

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  8. What you are looking at here are articles published by other people variously around the internet, reposted here for the readers who have an interest in the topic. If you have a problem with the references or credentials for this material, kindly go to the authors of those original postings and ask them. I am not personally responsible for them nor can I possibly be held accountable to quote you their sources. The very idea! On this blog this is an ongoing topic with many individual articles: on some of those other articles are quite extensive lists of credentials and references from official Scientific journals. Kindly look those ones up before you come to me with complaints about what I have personally put up on my blog. Clearly you are not a regular reader of this blog. Once again, I am not the author of these articles in this case and I cannot be held to be personally responsible to present you the original references in any reprinted materials.

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