Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Tuesday, March 15, 2011

Some Feedback on "Atlantis [Tartessos]..." Article

From David Campbell, also a writer on Atlantis:

"Thanks for the clarification on the 'new' site being Tartessos, Dale. I suspected as much when various and sundry people began giving me fragmentary reports that Atlantis had been found in Spain. Tartessos is familiar to me as I first encountered it some thirty five years ago in studies unrelated to Atlantis. Cadiz, site of ancient Gades was also a place that kept coming up as a point of departure for the Spanish entradas into Mexico and the Southwestern United States. There do seem to be some intriguing hints of connections with the Phoenicians' secret trade routes but nothing directly related to Atlantis. There have been more than a couple of sites off the coast of Spain proposed as Atlantis, but as you say, none of them seems to have panned out as far as I know. There are plenty of other intriguing ancient sites in Spain such as Atapuerca and Altamira but I have never considered it a serious contender in the lineup of Atlantis sites."

And this from Rick Osman, the owner of the internet site OopaLoopa Cafe, which discusses Diffusionism and related topics:

"Hi Dale, thanks for posting this one

I agree with your assessment of fudging the figures to fit a favorite
site. Plato wrote it the way he heard it and any other figures, whether
area, population, industries, date, or building materials, is simply
ignoring the basis as a whole.

The most important aspect of Plato's account for identification, I feel,
would be that the various rings correspond to metal covering or
processing just as Plato described.

The site would not necessarily be close to Gibraltor, but must be
outside the Med and somewhere in the Atlantic or even beyond. Many
researchers tend to put artificial and unrealistic restrictions on
ancient peoples' abilities to sail and navigate. And Atlantis was a full
blown continent, not a tiny island or a single city. It was / is larger
than Plato's concept of Africa and Asia combined, meaning, in Plato's
day, at least as large as Texas. It was the capitol city of this
continent that sank, not the entire continent.

Two scenarios that could lead to such a catastrophe come to mind quite
readily and both require that the city was built at or beyond the edge
of the continental shelf. We in America may easily be living on the
continent of Atlantis. The pre-deluge capitol is likely to be found in
pieces at the bottom of an abyss. The native art of various cultures
that depict bisected concentric circles may be recollections of a glyph
for that city."

And after which I sent this reply:
"Absolutely, and thank you for your input. Wherever the actual location of Atlantis, my impression of the invasion scenario is that the Atlanteans were physically and culturally much like an advanced set of Aztec or Incan warriors pouring down into the Mediterranean, decked out in feathers and looking for human sacrifices. And exactly that only.
And we have prehistoric graveyards in Egypt that show the end results of their raids: dozens of men, women and children buried together in Early Pre-dynastic Egypt with arrows shot into all parts of their bodies, including into their eye sockets and opened mouths. Sometimes dozens of arrowheads embedded in a single body. It was a slaughter and there is no doubt that the Egyptians remembered that.

Best Wishes, Dale D.

PS, I am currently also working on an interesting blog posting on transatlantic linguistic relationships and Megalithic cultures."


  1. Archeological remains found link city in southern Spain

  2. Los Milarres is famous in the days of pre-Radiocarbon Archaeology for having features such as the style of fortress walls and the tholos tombs, recognised as being similar to early Bronze Age Greece (and in the Greek Islands) So at that time it was seen as evidence of diffusion outward from Greece and Spain. At the time Radiocarbon dates became more common, it was realised that the chronology was wrong and the Iberian examples were older. Colin Renfrew wrote a famous article in Scientific American where he pointed this out.

    What this actually means is that the arrow of diffusion must have been reversed: in this case the cultural traits appeared in Greece as an outgrowth of earlier settlements in Spain and the Mykenian Tholoi must be derived from the Western Megalithic cultures. Los Millares is firmly in the Megalithic tradition.

    Best Wishes, Dale D.


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