Deluge of Atlantis

Deluge of Atlantis
Deluge of Atlantis

Monday, February 28, 2011

More Coneheads

Another one of the Peruvian "Giant" skulls compared to a sculpture of an Ancient Egyptian princess, in better resolution than some of the earlier ones.

Sunday, February 27, 2011


Periodically I go checking out the "Ancient Gods From Outer Space" sites to see if I can get any leads. This time around I found a site with deformed skulls from an ancient Peruvian graveyard, with reconstructions, and implying these people were halfbreed aliens that formed a "Blonde Inca"upper class, as shown by the prevalence of red hair on the mummies. To some extent this is known to be due to a postmorten chemical leaching of the pigment and it occurs in unrelated mummies the world over, so that I should think the people in life were darker than these reconstructions. I did think they were interesting enough to add here, partly because I rarely imagine deformed heads with bleached hair on top. The site is:

There is some sort of an assumption going around that the skulls are naturally that way and that they must be alien hybrids. They are not. The skulls are artificially deformed that way in infancy, usually by binding the baby's head with bandages so that it will grow into the desired shape: sonetimes the infant's head is tied to a board, ot between a board in front and in back. Ignatius Donnelly recognised it as one of the highly peculiar traits that keep turning up in areas once under the Atlantean cultural influence, together with building pyramids, mummification, ear and lip plugs, tattooing, sun and serpent cults, erecting stone pillars, use of swastikas (still important in Buddhism and in Native American designs, not only associated with Nazis), the circle-cross representing the Garden of Eden and Deluge stories; and practice of the couvade , a ritual in which the father takes to the bed with the baby while the mother gets up and goes about her business. And there seems to be really no other reason why these cultural traits should occur together in a package on both sides of the Atlantic. Louis Spence added Witchcraft-cults which we should recognise as Shamanism with a tendancy to ritual use of Hallucinogenic drugs.

(In the Egerton Sykes edited edition of Atlantis: the Antediluvian World, 1949, these matters are discussed in chapters 19 and 20, and defining the cultural package this way is more useful than saying "Atlantis was the source of the Indo-European and Afroasiatic language families--Possibly the Ural-Altaic languages, too-- and all of the cultures derived from them." That makes the problem much too diffuse and much too large to deal with)

The trait of artificially deforming the head does seem to be meant as a mark of Aristocratic distinction. The Sykes edition also meantions that in Peru the shape of the head was thought to resemble a volcano (p. 288)

Spence identifies the last wave out of Atlantis as the source of the Mesolithic/Early-Neolithic rock-artists of Iberia and the Sahara, the Azilians, Tardenosians and Capsians (Ibero-Marusans), which might even have some direct connection to the early Peruvians (the same sort of rock art is found scattered over the Americas and is also found in the Near East associated with the early Neolithic settlements: resemblances can be seen in the wall-paintings at Catal Huyuk) It is easy to imagine that the Saharan Ladies shown below could be related to the ones reconstructed from their "Conehead" skulls above. They also show a style sense similar to the Minoans.

Allowing that the Atlanteans were analogous to the ancient Peruvians and the Incan Empire at the time of the Conquistadores, it also seems that their military arrangement and social organization was also similar. The Atlanteans evidently also relied more on bows and arrows but also had similar battleaxes and maces; and they seem to have had horses which died out in the New World as part of the Mass Extinction event. ("Chariots" might well be a mistranslation in Plato-"Triremes" is almost certainly a mistranslation also. Solon would not have written "Triremes" because they did not exist as yet in his times.)

The ruler of Atlantis would have been a Sun-king, Son of the Son or Pharaoh such as in Peru or Egypt, as Donnelly states. And that much is readily inferrable from Egypt. Furthermore, the state was a sort of Socialism with the ruler responsible for gathering up and reapportioning the resources of the land. For that reason the very elaborate rules Plato states for a section of Atlantean territory being responsible for an exact fraction of the military's supplies rings true-although the exact figures might not have been transmitted correctly over several thousand years in between.

I shall be developing more on these ideas later, but please note that I am only taking a very small sampling of Donnelly's ideas to work with. Donnelly starts his book on Atlantis with 13 theses which he hopes to prove. In comparison of my outline to Donnelly, I find that essentially we agree on only a couple of points-that there once was an Atlantis, that it sank, and that it is remembered in Mythology (including Plato's dialogues).

But really, I do not think it is necessary to maintain all of those theses just to make the point.

Best Wishes, Dale D.

Saturday, February 26, 2011

Rapid Climate Change With Deglaciation, FW Flood ca 7500- 8000 BP

Effective climate response from five model simulations given a 40 percent decrease in the ocean's overturning circulation (the model average). Figures a and b show change in surface temperature and precipitation; c and d show the resulting changes in two of the climate proxies. Image credit: LeGrande, et al. + enlarge image

Researchers Confirm Role of Massive Flood in Climate Change
Flood of fresh water disrupted ocean circulation and Earth's climate; simulations validated by climate proxy record

At the end of the last Ice Age and the beginning of the current warming period, two ancient lakes catastrophically emptied into the North Atlantic. Scientists believe the flood of freshwater interfered with the ocean's overturning circulation, which distributes heat around the globe, and caused some parts of the world to suddenly cool.

Now climate modelers at the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), part of The Earth Institute at Columbia University, have succeeded in reproducing the climate changes caused by this massive freshwater pulse that happened 8,000 years ago.

Their work is the first to consistently model the event using a state-of-the-art climate model and the first time that the results have been validated by comparison to the record of climate proxies that scientists use to study the Earth's past.

"We only have one example of how the climate reacts to changes, the past," said Gavin A. Schmidt, a GISS researcher and co-author on the study. "If we're going to accurately simulate the Earth's future, we need to be able to replicate past events. This was a real test of the model's skill."

The study was led by Allegra N. LeGrande, a graduate student in the Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Columbia University. The results appear in a paper being published in this week's edition of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).

The group used an atmosphere-ocean coupled climate model known as GISS Model E-R to simulate the climate impact. According to the record of what are known as climate proxies, average air temperatures apparently dropped as much as several degrees in some areas of the Northern Hemisphere.

Climate researchers regularly use these proxies — chemical signals locked in minerals and ice bubbles as well as pollen and other biological indicators — as indirect measures of temperature and precipitation patterns from the distant past. Because GISS Model E-R incorporates the response of these proxies in its output, the authors of the PNAS study were able to compare their results directly to the historical record.

The researchers prodded their model with a freshwater flood equal to between 25 and 50 times the flow of the Amazon River in 12 model runs that took more than a year to complete. Although the simulations largely agreed with proxy records from North Atlantic sediment cores and Greenland ice cores, the team's results showed that the flood had much milder effects around the globe than many people fear — including the dramatic shifts in climate depicted in the 2004 movie 'The Day After Tomorrow.'

According to the model, temperatures in the North Atlantic and Greenland showed the largest decrease, with slightly less cooling over parts of North America and Europe. The rest of the Northern Hemisphere, however, showed very little effect, and temperatures in the Southern Hemisphere remained largely unchanged. Moreover, ocean circulation, which initially dropped by half after the simulated flood, appeared to rebound within 50 to 150 years.

"This was probably the closest thing to a 'Day After Tomorrow' scenario that we could model," said LeGrande. "The flood we looked at was even larger than anything that could happen today. Still, it's important for us to study because the real thing occurred during a period when conditions were not that much different from the present day."

The GISS climate model is also being used for the latest simulations by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) to simulate the Earth's present and future climate. "Hopefully, successful simulations of the past such as this will increase confidence in the validity of model projections," said Schmidt.

The study was funded by NASA, National Defense Science and Engineering Graduate Fellowship, and the National Science Foundation.

The Earth Institute at Columbia University is the world's leading academic center for the integrated study of the Earth, its environment and society. The Earth Institute builds upon excellence in the core disciplines--earth sciences, biological sciences, engineering sciences, social sciences and health sciences--and stresses cross-disciplinary approaches to complex problems. Through research, training and global partnerships, The Earth Institute mobilizes science and technology to advance sustainable development, while placing special emphasis on the needs of the world's poor. For more information, visit

The Goddard Institute for Space Studies, part of The Earth Institute at Columbia University, is the only urban laboratory of the National Aeronautic and Space Administration (NASA). The Goddard Institute is a climate research center that models and monitors earth systems, using state-of-the-art equipment to predict atmospheric and climate changes in the 21st century. It also plays an important teaching role, conducting science education programs at more than 20 universities, schools and organizations throughout metropolitan New York. For more information, visit

Surveys of Atlantis

Graham Hancock in his recent book Underworld (Crown Publishers 2002)speaks of very good evidence that a large island recently existed in the area of the Azores in two different places: Graham Hancock studiously avoids the name "Atlantis" but his sources are less reluctant. One of these sources was Christian O'Brien in his book The Shining Ones, which happens to have a website up at:
 -Where among other things, it is mentioned that O'Brien found that the area around the Azores included traces of watercourses that ran far below sealevel and showed definite erosional gradients flowing downhill. In order to produce these deposits, the water had to be freshwater and laid down above sealevel, flowing down to a level much below the modern surface, which would have been the sealevel at the time. O'Brien is correct, and in fact the erosional gradients continue on to much greater depths than he imagines.
Another, older book was written by Otto Muck, a German engineer, and known in English under the name of The Secret of Atlantis. Among many, many other very pertinent arguments he makes the major point that the position of a largish island attached to ythe Azores blocked off the flow of the Gulf Stream towards Europe during the Ice Age, and that this very definitely had a cooling influence on the climate there. In more recent postglacial times, the Gulf Stream brings tropical waters to Northern Europe via the North Atlantic Drift, which warms the area much above the corresponding latitude in Canada.

The theory definitely corresponds to scientific measurements of the deposits at the bottom of the Atlantic, where layers of foramniferan shells demonstrate theat the currents were much different in the Ice Age, and among other things the Gulf Stream cicled around below 30 degrees North latitude while a cold current circled further North and counter to the current trend of the North Atlantic Drift.
[Dale's map illustrating the difference in Ice-Age Currents to the present day]

While I was working the Reference departments at IUPUI and Indiana University (Bloomington), I was very much surprised to learn that the area around the Azores was counted in the Oceanographic dictionaries as "An unusual area, similar in structure to an immature Iceland"-being "Immature" in that the largest part of its mass currently lies BELOW sealevel. [I do have the source for this quote on file. It shall take some doing, but if a direct attribution is requested, I can dig through my files to find it]

Atlantis Area, Submerged Flatland surrounded by Highlands from USGS world map. The floor of this area is indeed filled with sediment of a type resembling riverine bottomlands alluvium and silt, like freshwater and not saltwater deposits. Readings of the bedrock of this same area indicate it is NOT basalt but has a density much closer to continental-type igneous rocks.[Zhirov, Atlantis, but any good Oceanology resource will give you the density soundings of this area and it is not ordinary basalt.]

For many years, charts showing the relative ages of the seafloor in this area South of the Azores read it as a "Blank" because of its unusual geology.
However, once I got to the Survey of Atlantis (Golden Age Project) site, there were several things about it which I thought were extraneous. In particular, I do not subscribe to the rest of O'Brien's "Shining Ones" theory. However, down at the bottom of the page cited in the link, there is a download link to a different article from a Geological journal given as backup for the theory. This is in fact an entirely different kettle of fish:
Interaction between the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the Azores Hot Spot during the last 85Myr:Emplacement and rifting of the Hot-Spot plateau - Pascal Gent et al - click here to download

This gives nothing less than the Geological History of Atlantis (not using that name)and speaks in terms of uplifts and depressions of one or two kilometers vertically. That is adequate to lift the landmass to the surface and dowse it under the waves again.

Atlantis turns out to be nested conveniently within sets of "Stepping-stone" islands between Europe and North America. To the lower right-hand corner of the map are the Canary Islands.
Showing the rift that broke the original island in half.

What is most amazing about this is that the pre-destruction Island of Atlantis is almost exactly what Otto Muck specified, and corresponds exactly to the Island named as Atlantis in the Maps of The Ancient Sea Kings [For which, see Charles Hapgood]

Compared to the former state of the island, its current state is definitely splintered and smashed to pieces. Bescause of this, it is not useful to think of all parts of the former landmass as being all sunken to a common level as a result of the convulsions which sent it to the bottom.

The most commonly cited map for Atlantis was originally made by A. Kircher in Germany in the 1600s: Muck thought the area shown on the map was strikingly close to what the reality was by his estimation. Nor is the map possibly a mistaken map of Antarctica or anyplace else.

George Firman collected the images from the Maps of the Ancient Sea Knings and published a small pamphlet on the subject. The most useful part of the book is the map he constructed as an "Original Portolano chart" and reproduced here. Firman also notes that the Atlantis island shown on these charts was originally the zero meridian from which all of the other charts draw on as a reference point.

Poseidia (Atlantis) from a map dated 1506 (Firman)

On the Piri Reis map the island of Antillia is identified as Cuba. In this case, we can make out something of an s-shaped axis of the island with indicated mountains in the position of the Azores and Atlantis seamounts

The same island is copied down on several later maps and continued to be moved further and further to the West as cartographic knowledge expanded. It was shown as Antillia, then Cuba, and eventually as Japan (Cipangu) when the New World intruded in the way. These are some Ancient Sea Kings Maps of Atlantis. The Mountain is there for Mount Atlas, figures in circle represent the Garden of Eden. Middle map indicates position of Atlantis circle-city. Maps vaguely compare to MAR soundings, but drawn as straight where the MAR area has a kink in it by comparison. Some of offshore islands are coral atolls, largest one in south possibly is Great Meteor Tablemount

Ptolemy's world map, compiled in Egypt from all available records, standard for the Roman world and then the Renaissance when Cartography became important again. Includes the "Atlantis" island of the Far West. The non-preserved half of the Piri Rei's map was undoubtedly something much like this map.

Atlantean Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings World. Modified version of last map. Central area of Atlantic indicates "Sea Kings" areas evidently well-known and mapped in Ice Age: Lighter grey indicates less well known areas (Behring Landbridge was indicated while it was still up, but left off more recent maps) and darker grey areas were incompletely or inadequately known. Antarctica was possibly mapped by whaling expeditions.

The tradition of Atlantis is NOT a Greek myth, it is admittedly an EGYPTIAN set of myths retold for a Greek audience. Some things got changed in the translation. Nonetheless, some experts have been able to identify parallels in specific Egyptian texts with their analogues in the Timaeus and Kritias. This includes the origin myth (Poseidon,Cleito, and their children, on the Primieval Mound later to became the Omphalos-capital city of Atlantis) and the missing end portion (Which would have been a retelling of the myth "The Destruction of Mankind"-the beginning of the story is still preserved in Plato's version). These texts are known from the oldest records in Egypt and the story was in circulation long before Minoan Crete or any such more recent power was in existance. Some of the Egyptian Sources of the Atlantis Mytrh were identified in an article in PURSUIT under that same name. They include sources counted as The Pyramid Texts.

Because of this, it is very short-sighted to assume Atlantis would have been literally the way that Plato later described it, as some supporters seem to have thought in more recent years. Yet the core of the story remains the same. The Greek names only mask their Egyptian analogues, such as "Atlas" being used in the place of "Shu".

Egyptian texts usually show Atlantis (Aaru or Amentet) as a rectangle or series of rectangles, and the Plato dialogues describe the shape of the Island as being an "Oblong" with mountains to the North annd around the rim, corresponding to the Azores Platform as above. Mount Atlas itself was almost certainly Pico Alto of the Azores.

This is a diagram of the areas affected in the Atlantis war according to Plato. It corresponds to the "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings" Portolano maps as above. The Atlantean story as told by the Egyptians internally indicates a "Fall from the Golden Age" and evidently an earlier agrarian Goddess-centered religion suffered setbacks from poorer conditions during a worsening climate, and so a military coup replaced it with an agressive Sun-Hero cult featuring the Goddess as Holy Mother of the New Sun God and a Divine King who was identified as the Incarnate Sun. All of which made perfect sense to the Egyptian retellers of the story.

This is the description of the Capital city of Atlantis and it incorporates several mythical features that represent a known stage in Cosmology and mythology. The world view is approximately as in the Bible, a flat round earth surrounded by the River Ocean and cetered on the Omphalos, here the city itself. This becomes a rather complicated discussion but the level of civilization that sees the world in these terms is about in the level of dynastic Ancient Egypt and Babylon. I shall post a separate message later about the Mindsteps To The Cosmos, Astronomy, Zodiacs and Calendric developments.

[Original artwork by Dale D, poor scans, Click to enlarge]

J. Feril Writes in The Origins of War about a shift in weapons technology at the end of the Ice Age. All at once, bows and arrows, slings, swords and daggers, marching units of men by rank and file, strategy and tactics begin to be represented in rock art of the Spanish Azilo-Tardenosians. These are the same weapons as described by PLato as the ones the Atlanteans used. The Mesolithic peoples involved are related to the Sharan rock-artists and the beginnings of agriculture: the Saharan rock-artists eventually gave rise to the Ancient Egyptians.

It would seem by contrast that the "Athenians" were hoplessly outmanned and outgunned. The Atlanteans had all of the ranged weapons, for one thing. But the "Athenians" were waging a guerilla war against an army far from home with extended supply lines. Nevertheless, had not catastrophic events taken place, they probably would have LOST.

The "Athenians" are identifiably the ancestors of the Indo-Europeans as their social organization clearly shows. The Atlanteans, by contrast, look like nothing so much as a large, organbized state of Native Americans and in their homeland they would have resembled the Mayans or Aztecs.

Neith is identified as Athena in the Platonic dialogues: Egyptian sources would have said "the People of Neith". The symbol of Neith was a shield with two spears, as shown, and as identified as the weapons of the "Athenians".

In the Noth of Indiana, Illinois and in Michigan there is a geological marker for the Atlantean age: there had been a warmer period when the Twocreekian Pine forests grew, and then a subsequent worsening of conditions when the forests were felled and buried.

The other key point which Graham Hancock touches on but does not pursue, the postglacial uplift of formerly-glaciated lands is more than enough to offset the simultaneous sinking of an area in the center of the Atlantic. R. Cedric Leonard in his book (and later internet site) Atlantis Quest mentions that a steady sinking of the area at a rate of a foot a year would sink the landmass almost two miles in ten thousand years. While I do not say that exactly, it is worth taking into consideration.
Glacial Rebound Synchronized with the Sinking of Atlantis . Upwarp on continents in 1-2-3 kilometers the past 10000 years and a hypothetical downwarp of the North Atlantic bed correspondingly 1-2-3 kilometers down, well enough to account for the sinking of Atlantis down to its present level.

Otto Muck hypothesized that the end of the Ice Age came about by a collision with a giant meteorite, based partly on a series of pits all along the Eastern coast of the USA. He thought the main body had split over the Southeast USA and then the largest chunks plunged on into the seabed, setting off tsunamis and catastrophic volcanic eruptions that in turn sank Atlantis. Muck's maths check out. More recently a separate theory blames the extinction of the megafauna and the end of the Paleoindian period on an asteriod impact during the Younger (youngest) Dryas period. This is an illustration taken from an article describing that theory. Among the other traces of the impact are many microscopic diamonds, pieces of impact-glass (tektites) and a layer of carbon which seems to cover everything right at the time of impact. Absolute dating of the event is a problem, though, because the event itself altered the pecentage of atmospheric Carbon-14.

The same event, called "the biggest meteor shower known to history" was the cause of the largest meteorite fragments known, salvaged in Greenland and now residing at the American Museum of Natural History. We not only have the smoking gun, we still have some of the bullets.

Best Wishes, Dale D.