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Tuesday, May 21, 2013

Guest Blogger Jayasree- Is Vedic astrology derived from Greece? – Part 5

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Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology – Part 5

Friday, May 10, 2013

  

A major criticism raised is that the Uttarayana does not coincide with the Makar samkaranthi that we celebrate today. They criticize us that it is a cosmic mistake we are making and that we are drifting from the Vedic system.

Let me point out to them that even in the times great kings who patronized Veda patashalas in agraharas, Brahmadeyas and in temples and whose life style was completely guided by Vedic principles, they celebrated Makar samkaranthi and Uttarayana together on the day Sun entered Capricorn. We do find the word "Uttarayana samkaranthi" in the inscriptions of not only tall kings like Rajaraja Chola-1 (reign 985, 1014 CE) but also in the reigns of other kings of India (south India in particular as no single North Indian temple of yore exists today to give us the details of the festivals and grants made in those days). Similarly it was Chittrai Vishu (Chittrai is the Tamil (solar) month of Mesha) and Aippasi Vishu (Thula samkramana) which are found mentioned in the temple inscriptions.

Here a criticism may be raised that Tamil society was different and it cannot be quoted for the current issue in hand which is mostly based on Sanskrit or Vedic concepts. To them, let me point out that Tamil society was not 'Dravidian' or some different society but was Vedic to the core. The Cheran King whose expedition to the Himalayas was written in a part -2 did Soma yaaga in his capital city, Vanji. (Silappadhikaram, chapter 28, lines 147 & 148). The Cholan king PerunaRkilli who was the contemporary of the Pandyan king of the last Sangam Assembly (2000 years BP) had a titular name as one who did Rajasuya. There was a Pandyan king of yore whose title was one who had several Yaaga shaalas (pal yaaga-shalai). This king lived in the sunken Pandyan land that had Kavaatam as the Capital, as there is a mention in a sangam poem on him, of the river PahruLi that flowed in that sunken land. This king is not a mythical one as there 5 songs on him in the sangam text of Pura nanuru and the inscriptions of Pandyans make a mention of him in their genealogy.

More importantly than all these, the Grammar work of the Sangam Tamil age, called Thol kappiyam (means 'ancient kAvya'), after explaining how the sound of each letter of the Tamil language is created in our body by the air, mouth, lips and the tongue in its various twists within the mouth and the palette tells in the concluding verses that the 'mAtra' of these sounds can be derived from the Vedas chanted by the Brahmins and that any clarification can be obtained from that (Vedas)!! (Thol kappiyam- Part -1- PiRappiyal- 20)

The author of his work popularly known by his pen name as 'Thol Kappiyar' (means 'the composer of the ancient kAvya'), was indeed a Vedic scholar coming in the lineage of Bhrigu and Jamadagni, having a original name "ThruNadhUmAgni". He was the foremost among 12 disciples of sage Agasthya and has written in the foreword of his work that he had mastered the Vyakarana of Aindra. This Tamil work (Thol kappiyam) was inaugurated in the presence of an acharya of AdhankOdu, (there is a place with similar name in Kanya kumari district of Tamilnadu) who was well versed in four Vedas.

The Tamil and Sanskrit Grammar are said to have been revealed simultaneously to Agasthya and Panini by Lord Shiva! Though the literary proof for this claim can be had only in the post 15th century AD period, it cannot be denied that both Tamil and Sanskrit grammar have commonality in many ways. Yet another information that I want the readers of this mail-chain to know is that this Tamil Grammar work does say that the 4 varnas were there among the Tamil speaking people and adds 3 more categories, making it a 7- class society. The additional three are “ astrologers, sages and Porunar (kshatriya vratyas). There was a separate class of astrologer called by a generic term "ARivan" “ which is a Tamil equivalent of Daivajna. Wikipedia articles trace them to Maghada and Mathsya Desa and even to Europe. But simple logic is that being sun worshippers, they could have evolved only near Equator or the in Tropical zones where sun shines overhead all round the year. Tamil's astrology is basically sun-based astrology which is seen from the varsha yogas being related to Solar months (this pre-supposes rashi system) and not to lunar months as told in Brihad samhita.

This historical background of Tamil culture connected to Vedic culture and astrology is being told here to convey that the practices as found in Temple inscriptions and Sangam texts cannot be dismissed as something different from Vedic culture.

Coming to the topic, the inscriptions in temples in Tamilnadu speak about 12 samkaranthi festivals (on the day of entry of the Sun into each of the 12 signs of the zodiac) and 2 Vishu festivals, one in Chittrai and another in Aippasi (both solar months for Mesha and Thula) during the period of King Rajaraja (10h century AD).

The Ayana festival was called as Ayana samkaranthi . The Lalgudi plates talk about grants given during Aippigai Vishu (Thula samkaranthi).

The Thiruvalam chuzhi inscriptions of 10th century AD speak about 2 Vishu and 2 Ayana festivals that correspond to surya samkramana in the respective signs. During the period of these inscriptions, uttarayana started in Sagittarius but the kings had celebrated them on Makar samkaranthi – that is, on the day Sun entered Capricorn. The Vishu was celebrated on the day Sun entered Aries.

An inscription found in Bijapur district tells about Uttarayana -Samkaranthi on a Pushya Amavasya day. This means the lunar month of Magha started on the next day. This could not have happened in the solar month of Sagittarius which is where the 'cosmic' Uttarayana could have happened as the date of this inscription falls in the 12th century AD. (I will provide a list of inscriptions that mention about Chittrai / Aippasi Vishu and Uttaraya Samkaranthi which are available with information of day, thithi and saka year in the next article. Let the scholars in this mail chain check them to see if they tally with the presently available data base. )

The inscriptions show that they had clubbed Uttarayana with Surya sankramana into Capricorn. Didn't they know that Uttarayana started earlier than the day of Makar samkaranthi? Weren't the Vedic pundits and Vedic astrologers of that time aware of the difference between the two? These kings patronized Vedic pata shalas with utmost care. The first item mentioned in Rajaraja's Prashasthi in his inscriptions is of taking possession of "KanthalUr shAlai" “ the prestigious Veda Pata shala of those times. Didn't the Vedic scholars of this school instruct the king on the 'correct' time of Uttarayana? Didn't they have the 'cosmic knowledge'?

If those who criticize the present day astrologers and religious heads as making cosmic mistakes in fixing the date of their festivals are right, then the entire culture of festivals celebrated for the past 1000 plus years are wrong! Are the kings and Vedic pundits of those periods' fools?

Instead one must start looking at what made them celebrate the Uttarayana on the day of Makar samkaranthi, when Sun entered Makara rashi. To deduce the reason for this, let me point out some of the features mentioned in the Sangam Tamil composition of Paripadal 11.

This poem mentions the position of planets in 'rashis' and also the Veedhis. Let me reproduce it here.

Skeptics claim that this sky map cannot be true because Venus and Mercury are shown far away from the Sun, which is impossible. I want to draw their attention to two verses from Brihad Jataka, verses 10 and 11 in the chapter 11 on Rajayogas.

The horoscope plotted for the planetary combination of Verse 10 is as follows.




The maximum possible distance between Mercury and Venus can be 75 degrees. Here it is more. By the present position of these planets, this combination is impossible. Didn't Varahamihira notice the absurdity of this combination? Commenting on this Sri Suryanarain Rao says that this is possible if the planetary velocities of those times were different. The reason for such combinations to be quoted in Brihad Jataka is that Varahamihira had only recorded the versions of sages of yore when the planetary movement of these inner planets might have been different from now.

The same kind of impossible distance between Mercury and Venus is found mentioned in the next verse (verse 11) of the same chapter. It is as follows. The location of sun in this combination is not given in that verse.

 


The Paripadal verse also comes under the category of these two types. In other words, that song was written at a time when the speed and orbital location of the inner planets could have been different. Paripadals were the oldest of all sangam compositions and this is ascertained from another song of the Paripadal compilations, that describe as place called Irunthaiyur in Madurai (present day Madurai) and the image of Vishnu in sitting position in that temple. There is no temple or place by this name today. But it is described as being very popular drawing continuous stream of pilgrims. By the description it is deduced that this could be the Kudalazhagar temple of Madurai – the oldest temple that was present even before Meenakshi temple was built. There is an additional information on that temple in paripadal that there was a separate sannidhi for Naga (perhaps Adisesha) . Today no such sannidhi is there in this temple, but there is a Navagraha enclosure in this temple. Navagragas are not installed in Vishnu temples. This temple is an exception. Perhaps the Naga sannidhi of olden days was replaced with Navagraha. This is being told here to show how old the paripadal compositions were.

The probability of such a difference in planetary position in the past answers another criticism of the skeptics who question the horoscope of Rama. There are evidences , inscriptional (Sinnamanur inscription of Pandyans which say that a Pandyan king made peace with Ravana), literary (from Tamil sangam too) and archeological (in Ram Sethu whose layers are 7000 years old) that point to the historicity of Rama. The discrepancy if any in the astronomical dating can not make Ramayana a myth, but that would show that we are yet to fine-tune our tools of research.

From the above examples of Brihad Jataka we know that there is every chance that planetary velocities and orbits could have been different in the past. There is also a probability of earth itself getting shaken in its axis or tilt by asteroid hits or massive earthquakes. In our recent memory of Fukushima earthquake it was reported that earth's axis changed a little. All this is being told to convey that our present state of planetary movement or orbital position need not have been the same all along in the past. As such the presence of many exalted planets need not be a myth. Even in the current times we have a person living among us, having a character opposite to that of Rama but who was endowed with Raja yoga – having 3 planets in exaltation and mercury and lagna as in Rama's horoscope. He is Karunanidhi, the former Chief Minister of Tamilnadu who asked who Rama was and what engineering degree he possessed to be claimed as the architect of Ram Setu!! (His birth details :- June 3, 1924, 10:40am, Thiruvarur, India). Another deja  vu feeling, in this context with Karunanidhi, and it made me sad when I read a respectable writer questioning indirectly the historicity of Rama by rejecting Rama's horoscope.

Now let me move over to the paripadal song that has some clues on Uttarayana - Ayana controversy.

The song begins as follows:

"viri kathir madhiyamodu viyal visumbu puNarppa

Erisadai ezhil vEzham thalaiyenak kIzhirunthu

Theruvidaip paduttha mUnRu onpathin irukkaiyuL.."

Meaning based on commentary by Parimelazhagar, given by Po.Ve. Somasundaranaar:-

Viri kathir = spreading rays

Madhiyamodu = with moon

Viyal viusmbu = broad sky

puNarppa = conjoining (of the moon and the star)

eri = fiery Karthikai (star)

sadai = Jada mudi (Arudra star lorded by Rudra)

ezhil vEzham = beautiful elephant (bharaNi star which is the symbol of Ganesha getting the elephant head)

thalaiyenk = as leading or heading

kIzhirunthu = under them

theruvidaip paduththa – classified as streets

mUnRu = three

onpathithin = of nine

irukkaiyuL = in the rashi (literal meaning seat, place of stay) (Parimelazhagar commentary= Since they are the place of stay for the 9 planets they are called a "irukkai"
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Meaning= "With Kritthika, Arudra and BharaNi indiacting the three streets of "irukkai" (rashi) having nine each in them conjoining Moon in the broad sky lit by its spreading rays"

The poem continues further locating the planets in such "irukkai" spread into 3 streets.

What it conveys is that "the stars of the zodiac that join the Moon with its rays brightening the broad sky, are grouped into 9 each in the "irukkai" which are classified into 3 streets headed by Krittika, Arudra and BharaNi."

The commentary by Parimelazhagar makes the order as Mesha, rishaba and Mithuna with Mesha street having Rishaba, Mithuna, Kataka and Simha rashi

Rishaba street having Kanni, Thula, Meena and Mesha and

Mithuna street having Vrischika, Dhanus, Makra and Kumbha.

This can be depicted as follows:



The Mesha Veedhi or Mesha street is known as Northern street,

Rishaba Veddhi is known as Middle street or Madhya Veedhi and

Mithuna street is known as Southern street.

This can also be shown as follows (as per "Jothida varushAdhi Nool of Siddhas" a compilation in prose based on astrological concepts told by siddhas and recorded as poems in palm leafs, page 19)



The Northen street or Uttara Veedhi or Mesha Veedhi shows increasing days in Northern hemisphere.

The Middle street or Madhya Veedhi or Rishaba Veedhi shows the span of equinoctial movement of the sun (as observed from the earth). The middle part of this Veedhi falls in Chittrai Vishu and Thula Vishu!

The Southern street or Dakshina Veedhi or Mithuna Veddhi shows the decreasing days in the northern hemisphere.

In this veedhi concept (also found in Prasna Marga chapter 8 on determining Chatra rashi), the middle street is the region that sun passes while crossing the equator. The signs or rashis seen in this middle street are where the sun seems to be shifting its position in relation to the outer space – what most people call as precession but Vedic sages called as Ayana chalanam or Vishnu Chalanam. The limit of this chalanam is 27 degrees on both sides of zero degree Aries which is called as Vishu. This can be depicted as follows:



As seen from the earth, the ayana chalanam is characterized by the to and fro movement of the pendulum. This is related to the movement at the axis of the earth which is observed in the shifting of the pole stars. These are the only two movements as observed from the earth which Vedic sages mentioned and also found depicted in the Paripadal song.

The tilt of the earth's axis is not a constant. It keeps oscillating between 22.1 degrees and 24. 5 degrees according to Milakovitch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles This tilt is currently 23.44 degrees and keeps decreasing. The oscillation of the axis tilt results in a kind of drawing of a circles in the poles and observed as the shifting of the poles. This is mentioned in Vedic lore which Prof R.N. Iyengar had analysed.

Correspondingly the sun's position in the backdrop of the ecliptic will be seen moving up and down. This can be shown as below.



(picture not accurate, only for illustrative purpose)





The oscillation at the polar axis is seen in the changing pole stars. The extreme ends of this oscillation at the pole is shown as C and D. Correspondingly this will be manifest as shifting of the tropic of cancer (A) and Capricorn (B). Ancient Vedic wisdom is that this shift at the equinox can be seen only in Aries and Pisces with movement on either side of the junction of these two rashis. The shift can go upto Kriththika star in Aries when it reaches the maximum of 27 degrees there. Once reaching that point, it would come back like a pendulum and cross zero degree Aries and move towards the 27th degree in Pisces where it would reach Purva bhadrapada. Once it had reached that limit of 27 degrees in Pisces, it will move towards Aries again. This movement is governed by gradual oscillation of the tilt of the axis which Milakovitch has calculated.

Take a look at the illustration again to see how the pendulum movement happens between Kritthika and Purava bhadra pada.


The central point of this pendulum movement is Chittrai VISHU!

On the other side of the globe, the same pendulum movement can be seen between Virgo and Libra! Therefore the central part of that movement there is Thulam VISHU!

These two parts of the zodiac happening in the middle of the sun's path across the equator makes these two + two rashis known as Madhya Veedhi! Another name of PurNayana!



Taking a look at the Veedhi concept, we will see that the central part of the Madhya Veedhi passes through zero degrees at Aries and zero degrees at Libra. They form a kind of equilibrium.

In fact the zodiac attaining equilibrium at this point is like a Balance or Thula whose two sides are in balance. In my opinion, due to this reason our sages had named the bottom part of this stem as Thula or Balance.

When the zodiac is in balance in this set-up the two sides also will be in equilibrium at Capricorn and Cancer! This is better illustrated in the horoscope design of coastal Andhra and some places in North India. It has a perfect image of the Balance. Take a look at the illustration below.



The lines in black form the horoscope design. When the sun is exactly in zero degree Aries, the Balance attains equilibrium. The two sides rest at Capricorn and Cancer. But Vishnu is not resting, he keeps moving to and fro. So accordingly the equinox shifts between Aries and Pisces which is reflected in the AyanAramaba also. Knowing this Chalanam, our ancients did not keep shifting along. Perhaps they thought that when Vishnu shifts, the Universe will anyway be in eqiuilibrium and therefore stuck to Vishu – the central beam of the Balance! Presently the shift is towards the southern hemisphere. In roughly about 220 years, the maximum extent of Vishnu chalanam would be reached after which the equinox would move towards North. The precession would cease and there would be forward movement. This is observational astronomy which has an impact on our lives too.

In the past when the shift occurred like this from South to North, sages (Purana) said that Sun's wife Sanjana ran away from him to the North, being unable to bear the heat. Sun went after her to the North in search of her. That is when the last Ice age ended in the Northern hemisphere. There is a verse in Upanishad that Gods (sages too) were fond of telling things secretly. They enjoy it. True. How cleverly and beautifully they have told the shifting of heat from south to north! How cleverly they have designed the zodiac as a balance with its base firmly fixed on Libra! Look at the way they have given us the clue in having named the base as ThUlA! The two sides may go up and down but human life must rest at equilibrium, that is why we stick to Makara sankaranthi and not the shifting ayana.

This concept was common knowledge in Paripadal times. It was common knowledge in Ramayana times too. To those doubting Thomases, let me show the verse 22-72 in Yuddha Khanda of Valmiki Ramayana.

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"sa nalena kR^itaH setuH saagare makara aalaye.

shushubhe subhagaH shriimaan svaatii patha iva ambare."

"The beautiful and lovely bridge constructed by Nala across the ocean of alligators shone brightly like SWATI PADAM in the sky!"

What is Swati padam? It is the path of Sun in Madhya Veedhi in Rama's times. It was very much in Libra which the vanaras would have identified in the evening or night sky as they were making the Setu bund. Valmiki has given as marvelous clue on the southern equinox at the time of Ramayana. The corresponding northern equiniox at that time must have been at BharaNi!

A single poem in Tamil; in a single line on "theru" or street, it contains such voluminous information on astronomy and also the basic culture of the Vedic society. This zodiacal map reflects the basic pulse of the Vedic society – which is nothing but being an Aryan.

An Aryan is one who is balanced, keeping equi-distance from sukha and Dhukkha, laabha and nashta, victory and defeat and is a Sthitha-pragya. This is also indicated in the Tamil society in a very simple way. There was Tamil dance (thamizh kootthu) and Aryan dance (Aryak kootthu) mentioned in the 2nd century AD Silappadhikaram. We don't know what is Tamil kootthu, but we know what is Arya kootthu! Want to see that? Take a look at this picture.



What this girl is doing is the Aryan dance  in Tamil there is an adage for this "Aryak kootthaadinaalum, kaariyaththil kaN". It means.

"Be focussed on the job if doing the Aryan dance"

This balancing act  not being swayed by anything - even though pulled by lot of distractions in life is what Krishna preaches in Gita. This core concept which would lead one to Moksha is aVedic concept. Without Taatparya, there is no word. The words may be there in Greek or Roaman or any other language of the world, but its inner meaning is available in Vedic society only. What then forms the root and what then forms the branches? The branch is the visible part, but is it not an indication of the root inside-the root in India??

(To be continued)

Guest Blogger Jayasree- Is Vedic Astrology Derived from Greece? – part 4





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Tuesday, May 7, 2013

Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology – part 4


Some of the responses from the other side do raise questions on the real intention of why they are meddling up with Vedic astrology and the Sruti texts. Is it just inter-cultural interest or the irritation that Indians claim a far longer history? (Quote Mr Deiter :- Now, when Indians tell us that the Mahabharata war occurred e.g. in 3139 BCE and the Epic was composed shortly thereafter, then Western science has the unpleasant quirk that it wants to see proof, and also adequate explanations for facts that are in contradiction with this date.). This gives a deja  vu feeling of Max Muller who wrote to his wife in 1866 that

"The translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of their religion, and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3000 years"

Source:- Müller, Georgina, The Life and Letters of Right Honorable Friedrich Max Muller, 2 vols. London: Longman, 1902.

What we hear from the Westerners in this mail-chain and their Gurus in David Pingree or anyone is no different from the above statement of Muller. So I decided to re-arrange my articles and start from this.

If their obsession is with historical proof, today's researchers from different disciplines have already started identifying India as a former incubator for mankind from where people spread to other parts of the world. The ASI-ANI genetic research is one and the recent research on connection between Indians, Australians, Chinese and Native Americans is another. Read it here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2262843/Migrants-India-settled-Australia-4-000-years-ago-Captain-Cooks-arrival-took-dingos-them.html


How this interaction could have happened has been briefly written by me in this blog


I can give proofs for each of the ideas I have written in that article.

India has served as an incubator for human beings to stay put for thousands of years in the same place which helped in developing a distinct culture of their own having an indigenous stamp. Otherwise it is not possible for a billion people to have grown in this small country. China is another country and their roots further go into Sundaland (Indonesian archipelago) which was a highland 20,000 years ago.
 

(Graham Hancock's map based on Inundation maps and sea level data furnished by Glenn Milne)

It is known that mankind had flourished only in regions close to the Equator and that puts the Tamil texts a valuable source for identifying the now submerged land links between the present borders of India, Sundaland and Africa.

All the claims of the opponents on astrology will be demolished if we ask these simple questions.

(1) Where can the 30 degree equal division of the Zodiac be observed? In Athens or in the tropics? The 30 degree division is the result of observational astronomy which is possible only to people near the equator or within the Tropical latitudes. For people living in farther latitudes where the day and night are NOT almost equal for most part of the year, it is impossible to conceive the 12 part equal division of the zodiac by themselves or by their own observation. If such an idea is found with them, the only way they could have got it is to have come to the tropics and observed (even then it would not be useful once they go back to their regions) or learnt it from the people of the tropics who are better placed to have conceived the idea.

(2) Where can the hora division as 30+30 naazhikai / nadika / ghatis for a day become possible? It is possible only where the ahas and rathri are almost equal in length. This can happen only near the equator or within the tropical region and not in Athens where there is a huge difference between the day and night for many months. This division and conceptualisation of Hora can happen only through observation and there is absolutely no way that people in the north of Tropic of Cancer had conceived it.

(3) If a community (of Rishis ) is able to observe the stars and calculate their extent by sheer observation from the ground, doesn't it sound absurd to say that they did not know the knowledge of Planets? Don't these critics think that observation of planets is easier than the observation of the stars which they did in various ways? Can anyone who has specialised in observing stars be found wanting in observing the planets? How sophisticated the knowledge of the stars must have been compared to the knowledge of the planets? But the Vedic rishis did not bother to glorify the planets in their Riks mainly because Stars are the manifestation of Parama Purusha. Parama Purusha has NakshataNi rUpam. But what are these planets? They are mere subsidiaries of the Parthyaksha Purusha viz the Sun. The stars are self illuminating Devas whereas the planets depend on the sun for their light and existence. That is why in their compositions, the rishis directly addressed the Devathas of the stars and even identified them by the names of the Devathas. It is the Devathas that make things happen.

(4) In Hindu philosophy the Ultimate Brahman is called as the Common Cause and is compared to the Sun or the rains. As a common cause, the Brahman pours rain everywhere; the jIvatmas (we) are like the seeds that are benefited by the rain and triggered to sprout as per our composition based on the individual cause as determined by prarabdha karma. The individual cause are manifest by the planets, but can be manipulated if the Common cause comes to help in time – like timely and sufficient rains. That is why the star pada of the planets get importance in Vedic astrology. The core idea is re-birth. Only a society which believes in re-birth could have created astrology with its four components of signs, bhavas, planets and stars. Any other society which does not believe in re-birth and past karma could not have conceived phalitha Jyotyhisha. When you say that something is going to happen in future, how do you say that without a past cause? The assumption of Prarabdha is there in Phalitha Jyothisha. If Greeks believe that they created Phalitha Jyothisha, then it means that their progenitors had lived in or interacted with Vedic society to have got this idea. Not the other way round.

(5) The above explanations that Vedic astrology and Vedantha go hand in hand. They are inseparable. This is made out in the very first few verses of the Rig and Yajusha Jyothisha that it is for doing yajnas this Kaala gyaanam is being told. Yajnas for whom? For the Parama Purursha who is seen as various nakshatras. Where is the place for planets in this set-up? Planets have a place only as Gruhas or Paathram where offerings are made in the grand scheme of worship of Nakshatra Devathas or Purusha. What is offered is offered not to the physical entity as planet but to their inner Devathas and sub-devathas similar to how offerings are made to Nakshatra Devathas. This concept can be understood by quoting what we are. Are we the body or the Jiva inside? I am Jayasree now, but when I die people would say Jayasree is gone. So I am not my body. Whatever is done to my body is actually done to something in myself. The same thing with planets. The mention of planetary devathas is indication of the knowledge of the physical entities of the planets. This knowledge of the inner self of the planets could not have developed without the knowledge of the planets as physical entities.

(6) This knowledge is characterised as Vedic astrology – the Vedic prefix is because, as Mr Ramanathan told in his write-up – there is Shishtachara. (1) The connection to a tradition of Vedic rishis makes this astrology Vedic. There are 18 Jyothish Pravarthakas mentioned in Kashyapa Samhita, Narada Samhita and Parashara Hora shastra (given at the end of this article). These authors' names themselves are found mentioned in these samhithas. That does not make the books bogus or inaccurate. These are all schools such as Kasyapa, Narada and Parashara schools of astrology. These rishis had lived very long ago, but their tradition had continued through the system of disciples. The disciples continue the tradition and school. This had continued for generations. This explains why the same book is available from different places with or without certain verses. In course of time they have recorded the names of their respective teachers in the list of Jyothish Pravarthakas. The purpose of re-writing is not to re-do or change some ideas. The reason is simple that in those days these books were written in palm leaves whose life is 300 years at the most. They have to be copied into fresh leaves before they become soiled. In the course of re-writing them, suppose a need was there to record the then existing astronomical features, they had done so. This has given rise to the opinion that these manuscripts were later creations. But the fact is that it is a long chain of generations from the past. A proof for this can be had from the Colonial records of the Education system when the British planned to introduce McCauley's system in the 18th century. The records show that a separate class of students were there whose main work was to copy the old manuscripts in new palm leaves. The British called them as "writer caste" or "scribes" caste They were called as "Calani"or "kalani", those who use Kalam, the Tamil word for pen. This term must have been in apabrahmsa (stunted Tamil) also some 2000 years ago. The Jews were Calanis or Kalanians who came from India according to Aristotle. (In his "History of the Jews", the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37, 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.). Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"). The Nadi schools of different Siddhas also had flourished till 18th century in Tamilnadu. Certain references in the names of places make us think that some of them have come up after 1000 AD. But that does not diminish their status as the Nadi manuscript of such and such a Siddha. The aphorisms and concepts were given by the Siddhas in an undated past and they were continued to be taught in their schools. Adherence to these concepts of that Siddha make them his creation, though there is a chance that some of them were written by the disciples. This is made out from some manuscripts which appear as case studies where the conversation between the teacher and the disciple over some features of the horoscope are found mentioned.

(7) (2)This is Vedic astrology because the Vedic stars and entities are followed in this. (3) This is Vedic astrology because Vedic yajnas and samskaras like marriages are done at the auspicious time identified by this astrology. All these 3 features are not there with astrology practiced by other communities of the world which make them non-Vedic. Even Jain astrology was not considered as Vedic though Surya Pragnapti mentions the uttarayana beginning in Abhijit nakshatra. Exception is Yavanacharya mentioned as one of the 18 Jyothish Pravarthakas in all the three books I mentioned above. His presence in the list shows that he fulfilled all the three requirements for a Vedic astrologer. Perhaps his inclusion in the list was a matter of debate in those days which made Varahamihiara to infer that he rose to the level of a Vedic rishi and was treated as a rishi. That made him a progenitor of Vedic astrology. No other Mleccha – particularly Maya was considered as a Vedic Rishi or a progenitor of Vedic astrology.

(8) There is record of Mayan, the Vastu expert as being popular, but there is no school of Mayan astrology in ancient India. Though Maya was remembered by Varahamihira, Bhattotpala and Meenaraja, there was no school of Mayan astrology in India and he was not considered as a Jyothish Pravarthaka. In Mayamatham, at many places Mayan attributes his rules and aphorisms to rishis, and this confirms that Mayan was not considered as a progenitor of even the Vastu shastra. But he was known for mechanical objects and the articles that come under YAna category. He was Asura or Danava and his acceptance into the Vedic society could become possible only after Krishna suggested that he build a mansion for the Pandavas. He did this in gratitude for being rescued from the fire in the Khandava vana by Arjuna. Local architects must have assisted him in the construction because there is a reference in the 2nd century AD Tamil work Silappadhikaram that in return for the assistance done by the architects and sculptors in an ancient time, Maya taught them his knowledge. Using that knowledge the sculptors of Magada, Vajra and Avanti made beautiful decorative entrances, arches and such other things, some of which the Cholan King Karikala (1st century AD) got as gifts during his northern expedition. They were displayed in PumpukAr during the Indra festival. The Mayan architecture spread throughout India including Tamilnadu. The design of the market place of PumpukAr described in Silappadhikaram chapter 5 is the same as the illustration one finds in Mayamatham, translated by Bruno Dagens (his teacher Pandit N.R. Bhatt) as figure 8 in the list of illustrations. Madurai and Vanji in Chera nadu (today's Kerala) had such well laid structures of town planning with an underground water drainage system which is described as huge enough for an elephant to walk. This reminds me of the Indus drainage path in the Great Bath of Mohenjadaro.

 

Why I have to tell these things here is that Mr Deiter thinks that years of antiquity of India such as 3000+ BC make them quirk and ask for proofs. The proofs are plenty and coming up more nowadays. But they are looking for proofs elsewhere (in Sruti texts and astrology) and not in solid archaeological or genetic areas.

(9) Krishna's antiquity is not a myth as we still follow the year-month-day-nakshatra etc tradition starting from Kaliyuga (which started when Krishna exited) in sankalpa mantras. Nowhere in the world can we find such a continuing tradition of astronomical records in daily use. To prove that this tradition was not introduced sometime in the course of the last 2000 years, let me point out that the year followed in Tamilnadu is not the same as what is followed in North India. The current year (samvatsara) is Vijaya in Tamilnadu whereas it is Krodhi in North India. Why this difference of 12 years is a question. This is an area of research. A probable answer is that North India continued with the existing samvatsara when Kaliyuga started and Tamilnadu reverted back to the first year of the 60 year cycle.

(10)The proof of Krishna is in marine archaeological works conducted in Dwaraka. The date attributed is 1500 BC. This confuses researchers and had perhaps led to the belief that the traditional Kali yuga dates were wrong. No, I always think that if something looks intriguing or non-conforming to the traditional system of practices, keep searching more and deep, you would get the truth. This is not just the result of my belief but because the people in my country until a generation or so ago, did not sway from the traditional ways nor did they tamper with anything. If something has gone wrong, it is only in the last 50 years. Even during the British rule, people were adepts in their precepts.

(11)Now coming to 1500 BC dated Byt Dwaraka, it was not Krishna's Dwaraka. Krishna's Dwaraka did go under water some 5000 years ago. The people were evacuated by Arjuna who took them – not to the Gangetic region perhaps because the inimical condition continued there but through a route in North west India. The route taken by him as described in Musala parva is shown in arrow marks in the picture below. This is where the Indus sites had flourished. The Indus culture was a post Mahabharatha culture which flourished in peaceful conditions in the trade routes to Europe under the vast and single kingdom of Pandava lineage. Earlier the routes were under the Kaurava control as Gandhara was the maternal home of the Kauravas. In my opinion the all- Indian participation in the Mahabharatha war was due to interests in controlling the trade routes.

 

By 1500 BC another deluge happened in Dwaraka. This is known from Tamil commentaries to Tholkappiyam, the grammar book of Tamil. It was at that time, the last deluge engulfed whatever was there in the Indian ocean too affecting Pandyan kingdom at Kavaatam. In this deluge the extension of Western ghats upto Madagascar got sunk in the water due to some subsidence in the ocean floor. I am saying all these with literary proof from SangamTamil and Silappadhikaram sources. If someone comes forward to do ocean floor or under water research, they will make epoch making discoveries, but they can't make such discoveries if they poke into Vedas and Vedic astrology. The Dwaraka that was submerged then was Byt Dwaraka where Indus civilisation flourished. Sage Agasthya brought the affected people – belonging to the royal family of Krishna, Velirs and 18 groups of artisans who were perhaps the 18 kudi people who accompanied Krishna from Mathura and settled down in Dwaraka. Their descendants are now merged in Tamilnadu! There is a Sangam poem that tells about the king of Mysore (called Erumaiyur in sangam age) as the 49th descendant of an ancestor who emerged from the Homa Kunda in the North. This resembles the emergence of Agni kula kshatriya. This migration to tamilnadu explains why the Indus symbols are present in Tamilnadu. This squarely puts at naught the AIT and subsequent Dravidian migration to Tamil lands. This also corresponds with 1500 BC existence of Byt Dwaraka. This proves that krishna's Dwaraka is still under the waters and must be probed.

(12) All the above seem to be out of context here, but they are written to show that Indian history goes easily into 1000s of years in the past. With the same culture continuing, there are ample evidences and internal sources to decipher the past. The following is Ahichatra or Ahi-kshetra in Panchala desa where the Homa was done from which Draupadi emerged. The excavation shows the existence of a triangular shaped region.
 


(13) Westerners may dismiss birth from a homa kunda as a myth. But the fact is that triangular shaped regions exhibit unusual energies. Bermuda triangle, England and Sicily are triangular in shape where unusual energies (crop circles in the latter two) are seen. No need to tell the fellow astrologers what the triangle shape signifies. A recent discovery of star shaped gravity waves in nature makes it look possible that energy channelized through Vedic Homa in triangular regions gives rise to wonders not otherwise known or seen in Nature.

 

Read more pics and the article here:


This goes to show that there are many unknown energies around us in this earth. The above link and picture is shown to convey that shapes have some relevance in Nature. This is being highlighted here to convey why India had been the home for indigenous and intuitive ideas. India is triangular shaped; south India is very much of a triangular shape with natural boundaries on three sides with Vindhya- satpura ranges forming the northern side. The Tamil lands of three kings of Chera, Chola and Pandyas was very much triangular in shape with Venkata hills (Tirupathi) forming its northern border (according to Tholkpaaiyam). Perhaps this made it possible to have most of the Divya Desa of Vishnu which were actually places where wonders in the form of Vishnu Himself appearing to some devotee happened. The triangular region of South India (dandakaranya) was dotted with the ashrams of many maharishis in Ramayana period. This was because they could experience extraordinary energy levels in this triangular region. I am saying these to show that intuition and extraordinary power of the mind was the hallmark of ancient Indians. The discoveries of most things are reported with these rishis of the past which make westerners dismiss Indians as myth makers. Refusal to accept the long tradition of astrology which is a part of daily life is one such kind of dismissal. But they must know that the kind of life style of a Grahastha or an astrologer or a Vedic rishi was such that they moved within this triangular shaped India only and hardly moved out of India.

The three triangles of India one within the other is shown in the picture below. The ancient Tamil land forms the bottom most triangle and the most perfect triangle.
 

India as Navayoni.

 

The next issue is that of festivals, particularly the Sankaranthi festivals the dates of which the westerners say are wrong. It will be explained in the next article using a sangam Tamil poem. After that I will take up the rashi issue.

List of Jyothish Pravarthakas.

These rishis were the creators of Vedic astrology.






S.No







Kashyapa samhita







Narada samhita







Parashara Hora sastra


1
Surya
Brahma
Surya
2
Pitamaha
Vyasa
Vishwasrit
3
Vyasa
Vasishta
Vyasa
4
Vasishta
Athri
Vasishta
5
Athri
Parashara
Athri
6
Parashara
Parashara
Parashara
7
Kashyapa
Narada
Kashyapa
8
Narada
Garga
Narada
9
Garga
Mareechi
Garga
10
Mareechi
Manu
Mareechi
11
Manu
Angiras Manu
12
Angiras
Lomasa
(Romasa)
Angiras
13
Lomasa
(Romasa)
Chyavana
Lomasa
(Romasa)
14
Poulisa
Yavana
Poulisa
15
Chyavana
Brighu
Chyavana
16
Yavana
Sounaka
Yavana
17
Brighu
Poulastya
Brighu
18
Sounaka
Acharya
Acharya


(To be continued)

Posted by jayasree at 11:57 PM

7 comments:



S.Kumar said...

Dear Jayasree Madam, i am enthused very much by your in-depth analysis and authentic reporting with indisputable facts on views on religion, tradition and customs.
It is indeed very commendable that someone is able to publish with so many irrefutable references and it clearly shows that Indian( Bharathiya) culture is so divine, scientific and is the mother of all cultures. We tend to forget the richness of our tradition and often ape the west and their pseudo scientific co-relations.

I have a small request for you maam. I would like to see the references to the days of the week and their planetary references. These refer to the same planets in both western and Indian system.
Another point is the ritual of prayer, and in doing so one lights a jyothi and rings a bell. This is common in Indian as well as western culture.
Can you make an article on the references and the ancientness of such practices. It will be good to know them as well.

With best regards,
S.Kumar




 

jayasree said...
From: Dieter Koch

Date: Wed, May 8, 2013 at 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology ? part 4

Ms Jayasree,

You quote Max Muller:
<The translation of the Veda will hereafter tell to a great extent on the fate of India and on the growth of millions of souls in that country. It is the root of their religion, and to show them what the root is, I feel sure, is the only way of uprooting all that has sprung from it during the last 3000 years>

These are Max Muller's words, not mine. His agenda, not mine. I am really offended.

You say:
<(1) Where can the 30 degree equal division of the Zodiac be observed? In Athens or in the tropics? The 30 degree division is the result of observational astronomy which is possible only to people near the equator or within the Tropical latitudes. For people living in farther latitudes where the day and night are NOT almost equal for most part of the year, it is impossible to conceive the 12 part equal division of the zodiac by themselves or by their own observation. If such an idea is found with them, the only way they could have got it is to have come to the tropics and observed (even then it would not be useful once they go back to their regions) or learnt it from the people of the tropics who are better placed to have conceived the idea.>
You are in error. I have to postpone my answer.

I might even decide to end the discussion here. You are on the anti-India-pro-India level. No interest on my side! I explained that in a previous mail.

Dieter




 

jayasree said...

Dear Mr Deiter,

Please don't feel offended as I didn't say that it was your agenda. I said it was deja vu. I have great respect for your intelligence but was surprised to read that view of yours which I quoted.

I am not talking on anti- India or pro-India level as my intention is to present what I know on the issues raised in this mail chain. I am speaking on the Indian side views and if it appears pro-India vs anti-India, I can not be blamed. In fact my present work is on a tricky issue which would brand me as a Tamil Chauvinist. But that must not discourage me from bringing to the notice of the world what is contained in Tamil texts. Take a look at this link

http://jayasreesaranathan.blogspot.in/2013/04/hanuman-and-sita-conversed-in-madhura.html
If I am not drawn into this current debate, i would be working on it.

regards,
Jayasree




 

jayasree said...

From: Dieter Koch

Date: Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: Is Vedic astrology derived from Greek astrology ? part 4

Dear Jayasree,

you wrote:
<(1) Where can the 30 degree equal division of the Zodiac be observed? In Athens or in the tropics? The 30 degree division is the result of observational astronomy which is possible only to people near the equator or within the Tropical latitudes. For people living in farther latitudes where the day and night are NOT almost equal for most part of the year, it is impossible to conceive the 12 part equal division of the zodiac by themselves or by their own observation. If such an idea is found with them, the only way they could have got it is to have come to the tropics and observed (even then it would not be useful once they go back to their regions) or learnt it from the people of the tropics who are better placed to have conceived the idea.>

For what reason exactly do you think that the 12-part equal division of the zodiac could be "conceived by observation" only near the equator or within the tropics? What methods would you use to make such a division in practice? I don't need all details, just a rough idea.

I would have similar questions with your point (2). But let us focus on (1) first.

With regard to (3), I do not absolutely rule out that planets were known to Vedic authors. But this alone does not prove anything about predictive astrology as we know it.

You say:
<(4) ... Only a society which believes in re-birth could have created astrology with its four components of signs, bhavas, planets and stars. Any other society which does not believe in re-birth and past karma could not have conceived phalitha Jyotyhisha.>

I cannot follow your thought. The concept of reincarnation is really not required for astrological soothsaying or interest in it. In Mesopotamia, in the 2nd millennium BCE, astrologers read the omens of the sky and the earth to predict the fate of king and country. They did not believe in reincarnation. Their methods were really different from Indian predictive astrology as we know it. Greek astrology, which is also not identical to Indian astrology, worked perfectly without the concept of reincarnation, too. But then, why could it not have been invented there?

I think it is not wise to discuss all your points at the same time. Please, let us focus on your point (1) for the moment.

Regards

Dieter









jayasree said...

Dear Mr Dieter,

(1) I think everyone would agree that perception is the first source of knowledge. Perceive, then analyse from various angles and permutations and then infer. This is how a theory or knowledge could have been formed particularly in the early times when everything depended on observation and perception. Imagine the primitive man watching the sky. He has two points of light - one at sun rise and another at sun set. The early observation must have been through watching shadows.

In this kind of observation, further improvisation would naturally result in dividing his day into two halves at first and then fine tuning the one half in due course. Early man could have used the moon light of Full moon day for doing the shadow test. But whatever it could be, only if the day and night are fairly equal, he could have arrived at equal division of the sky by observation of the shadow. Time concept is the later born from this concept. Beyond the tropic of cancer or tropic of Capricorn, where the sun never comes overhead - this kind of observation is not possible. Placidus and others used the similar method of observation in higher latitudes and arrived at unequal houses.

I showed in that article the early location of Tamils / Indians near equator to substantiate that they were better candidates to have developed that idea.

This kind of observation of the shadow is found in vastu shastra also. The use of conch or poles was there in Vastu shastra for this. This is the primitive and natural method of observing the Sun's movement. There is a method of Dik sAdhana on how to watch the shadow every month (solar) and how to make corrections to the shadow so that the location where the shadow is observed is assessed properly to identify the exact east (Shuddha PrAchI). In the eastern direction itself, there is BrAhmi prAchI, Aindra prAchI and AishI prAchI useful for constructing temples for specific deities.

(2) I will explain it in a separate article with literary proof where I will also show that planets were identified by Indians only.

(3) and (4) are based on previous Karma. In the omens you have quoted, there is observation involved which connects some thing previously seen, to some other thing that followed later. There is cause and effect concept in that though there is no logic in it. There is a saying in Tamil "kuruvi utkaara panam pazham vizunthathu" The palm fruit fell down when the sparrow sat on it. Actually the sparrow's weight did not cause the the fruit to fall. It was coincidental. If the coincidence is repeated every time, that becomes an omen. Omens are formed through observation and also involves a previous incident to relate it to an incident that is going to happen.
 
But how can such a relationship be made out between planets and human life incidents? If you say that this also would have evolved with observation, what is the sample size for observation? Omens could have been formulated by observation in a life time or by a few people. Can the same be said for planetary connection to life in one's life time? Won't that involve a continuing system of observation, documentation, verification for many generations? How could this become possible without a guru- sishya parampara where these recordings would have been made continuously for many centuries? Did the Greek history have enough time to have evolved this system of observation or Vedic Hindus had?

(continued)

jayasree said...
In this I did not bring in Purva karma. Karma theory is a logical explanation for pain or happiness. Prediction of pain or happiness based on planetary positions can not be conceived by observation of planets as I told above because the sheer size of permutation combination of the four-some factors of astrology with reference to each of the 7 billion people in today's world is impossible. A frequently asked question in our society is why the life of two persons born at the same time, in the same place (applicable even in the case of twins) is not the same even though their horoscopes are the same. The answer is that their prarabdha karma is not the same. Prarabdha karma is like the land where cultivation must be done. Depending on the land only whatever cost- benefit that you are expending by way of planetary combinations (in our example) would bear different fruits. Karma theory answers many questions like this.

This is where the Vedic seers come into the picture. Our system never says that phalitha jyothisha was evolved by observation. But it says that it was given as a upadesa by Pitamaha, Brahma, Acharya or Surya to sages and was passed on from one sage to another. Vedangha Jyoithisha has no place here. Vedanga Jyothisha is based on observation whereas Phalitha Jyothisha is not. Vedanga Jyothisha metamorphosised into Panchanga system where also there is no use of horoscope or rashi division. Vedanga Jyothisha and Panchanga have their utility in identifying auspicious time for rituals and homas. I will write some more on this topic in an article. Phalitha Jyothisha was the gift of Jyothish Pravarthakas - whose names I have given in the last article. Based on their theories, we deduce new uses by applying them to new issues of modern day world.

regards,
Jayasree

jayasree said...
Dear Mr Kumar,

The naming of the days of the week came from our culture only. I will be writing it in the series on this issue/ On your query, I have written in old articles on Celts / Druids, how they were descendants of India only. The religious customs have gone from here only. You may have to browse to read those articles in this blog.

Thanks for your good words.


Monday, May 20, 2013

India's Conquest of the Americas

 
 
100% Non-Contestable Proof!
by Gene D. Matlock
India's Conquest of the Americas.
http://www.viewzone.com/gene.india.html
In the late 1970s, when I discovered that ancient India not only once owned the world, but gave us all our religions as well, I felt like a second Columbus . Moreover, I naively thought the world would applaud my work. I soon discovered that all the truths in the world won't alter the mindset of people steeped in sectarian religious beliefs, and that their historical conditionings, though changeable, don't become unfrozen easily, either.
Where the truths of ancient Hindu history are concerned, my struggle has been quite bumpy, but millions of people are finally beginning to listen. Yet, much resistance remains, especially among those foolishly regarded as orthodox academicians. By the time you finish this article, you will realize that the Hindu history books will soon be rewritten.
Those who have read my previous articles will realize I have repeated information they already know. But there is one set of facts they don't know yet. These are the ones that will cause the rewriting of Hindu history.
The Vedas tell a number of valid facts about ancient America . They call Mexico and Central America Patala. In Sanskrit, Patala means 'one of the seven regions under the earth and the abode of serpents' According to the myths, an eagle named Garuda transported thousands of ancient mariners, called snakes (Nagas, there in its beak. Although I feel they came here in ocean-going ships, the implication is clear that they could have flown here as well. The legends of the O'odhams of Arizona describe such a sky-born ship. They call it Nah-Big, a term definitely derived from the Sanskrit Nag-Bhaga or Snake God. One cannot help but become impressed when he reads the O'odham stories of the Nah-Big. It is clear that it was some kind of flying ship. The O'odhams even speak of it as being propelled by an energy generator having positive (male) and (female) female poles.
Did a Patala ever exist in ancient Mexico? It certainly did and does. In the Mayan-derived dialects along Mexico's northern east coast down to and including the Central America republics, Patal means 'abandoned or deserted land; without people.'
Naga-like derivatives also exist in Mexico . In Sanskrit, Nag-asta means Western Naga Land . The Mayan lowlands down to and including Costa Rica are called Nacaste.
According to Hindu legends, a naga could turn into a human being. In Mexico, a nagual was a were-animal. Nagual derived from the Sanskrit Nag-Baal, meaning Snake Demon.

The Mayans of Mexico and Central America also played an integral part in Hindu mythology and history. Just as in Mexico and Central America, they were mathematicians (measurers), astronomers, military strategists, magicians, wise-men and builders. The Meso--American Mayan's knowledge of astronomy and time-measurement was so accurate that they even felt confident enough to predict the end of the world--or some worldwide catastrophic cosmic event -- in 2012 AD. The Mayans of India also predicted the same type of event, but they didnÕt agree with their Patalan brothers on the same date.
In his book, Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism, Indian historian Purushothoma Chon mentioned a Siberian origin of the Mayans: 'Maya architects are mentioned in our epic Mahabharata. Maya people are in Siam and East Asia . There is a place called Mayyava in Kerala. The Utttar Pradesh people have the meaning of Mayya as mother in phrases like 'Gang ki Maya.' There is a vast area in Russian East Siberia as well as a river by name Maya.' (p. 28.) The Nagas of Tibet even had a similar bar and dot counting system, along with the same words, to the Naga Mayas of Mexico.
The Hindu Naga Mayas also belonged to a powerful Dravidian group of Nagas called Asuras. Whether or not the Asuras were demi-gods or demons depended on one's point of view. The leader of these Naga Asuras was the Hindu (really a Bulgarian) god of precious metals, wealth, traders and even agriculturists (really a group) named Kubera or Khyber (Kheever). For Christians and Jews he was Heber. This Kubera, Khyber, or Heber was leader of a horde called Yakshas or Yakhas (Biblical Joktan?). They were reputed to be both superior mentally and materially. Their servants were called Guhyakhas (Yakha shit). Today, in Judaism, which evolved from the Kubera teachings, the term has changed to Goy, but the meaning has never changed. The Kubera hordes, composed of Yakshas or Yakhas and their Guyakha underclass captured most of India's undesirables, the unredeemably savage and cannibilistic Rakshasas, exiling them to Ceylon or Lanka. Later, they exiled them to Patala, supposedly in air ships.
The Mayas had their own nation in Lanka, also named Maya, with a sub-group called Laks (Mexico's Lacandones). It is a strange anomaly that Rama, Lenka (Lanka), and Lacandon Mayan peoples exist in Meso-America, including the inhabitants of Yucatan (Yakhustan; Joktan?). As further evidence that Kubera or Khyber first settled the Americas , the Meso-Americans told the Spaniards that a strange people had once gone there, naming all of the North American continent Quivira (Kheeveria). The most sacred mountain of the Arizona O'odhams was the gold-filled, rattlesnake infested Baboquivari. There were also Quiburi people and a Quiburi creek in O'ofham country. Kubera--like names also exist among the Caddo Indians of Texas and Louisiana, as well as the North Mexican mining state of Coahuila (true pronunciation Kovira), the Sonoran mining town of Caborca , and the Texas and Northern Mexican Cahuillas (Kaviras). There are also the New Mexican Indian ruins of Gran Quivira and Koari. It is from this international word Kubera that we have derived the words quarry and copper. Yes, you'll find Kubera's name pronounced in one form or another all over the world.
You have surely heard of the so-called Aryans. In India, many Hindus love to mention them as a superior race of people who came to them from Uttara Kuru ( Siberia and the North Pole). Yet, the Kurus (Ari) and Ramas were just the Indian people themselves who once inhabited the whole of the Eastern Hemisphere -- Kurus the north, and Ramas, the Indian sub continent itself. In the mythologies of all the world, the Kurus (Turks) and the Hindus (Ramas) are the Holy Twins. Although both groups were partners (twins) in international trading, the Kurus (Turks) provided the shipping and the Ramas their services as warrior traders. The Ramas were ferocious warriors, just as they were described in the Mahabharata.
It just so happens that the Carib (Cariva) Indians of the Caribbean islands claimed that their creator gods were the Kuru Rumani. The Mexicans will tell you that the state of Veracruz derives its name from Ver a Cruz (Seeing at a Cross), but such a name is preposterous for a variety of reasons. The people of Vera Cruz are really descendants of Carib Indians, called Vira--Kurus (Hero Kurus). Emperor Moctezuma of Mexico himself told the Spaniards that the Mexican royal family descended from a ruling eastern caste called Colhua, the only way the Aztecs could pronounce Kaurava.
I could provide almost an infinity of evidence to validate my claim that the Kurus and Ramas (Aryans and sub-continent Hindus) first colonized the Americas , but that's not necessary. What I have to say in the last part of this article is sufficient unto itself.
The Hindus of antiquity had an ancient astro-geographical map with four lotus petals pointing in the cardinal directions, called Mt. Meru (the world mountain). The point of the left petal fell on a seaport called Ketumala or Chetumala. Both pronunciations were used. The lower center petal was Jambudvipa (subcontinent India ).
One day, I decided to examine a map of Meso-America in order to find out whether a Chetumala or Ketumala ever existed there. It did not take me long to find out that Chetumal is even now a safe port in what is presently Belize, Central America. (See the illustrations below). The name of this port of Chetumal has never changed in all these thousands of years. According to the available evidence, I knew I had found the Chetumala depicted on the point of the left petal of the Mt. Meru drawing. But the skeptics and so-called 'historians and mytholigists' who are dead set against India knowing the truth about herself, for foolish reasons only they can know, insisted that the Central American Chetumal was just a coincidence. What I have never revealed to anyone until now is that the Belize Chetumal is absolutely nothing compared to the total proof you will learn in my upcoming conclusion to this article. However, my life is steadily going to its inevitable end. In order to produce fascinating articles, I have spent too much time writing anti-climaxes, while simultaneously honing my own historical skills to near perfection, building up to the time when the hero finally gets the girl. I must act now while there is still time.




You will notice that just to the left of the Chetumal petal there is a body of water called the Kashyapa Sea . A meaning of Kashyapa is 'sea turtle; tortoise.' We now call the Kashyapa Sea the Caribbean Sea . It is commonly known that more sea turtles of different species inhabit Meso--America and Eastern Central America than any other place in the world. One species in the region, the Hawksbill, has always been hunted for its beautiful shell which, for thousands of years, has been used to make fine ornaments. In ancient days, there were uncountable millions of Hawksbills in the Caribbean Sea . Because of centuries of feverish and constant harvesting, the Hawksville population has shrunk to an estimated 22,000 nesting females. Belize itself is a composite Sanskrit word Bala= Facing the East; The Rising Sun. Isha or Isa = God Shiva. Belize indeed faces the east.
But not even this is enough proof for those wanting to keep India hidden under the rug. So now it's time to reveal something that no rug can ever hide. Chetumala or Ketumala is not the official name of the left petal. It is the official name of the harbor itself. The full territory was called Aparagoyana or just Goyana ( Guyana )! Apara=Western; being in the west of; a bad shore. Guh=concealed; hide; keep secret; a hiding place; filth; etc. Yana=journey; going; moving; riding; a vehicle of any kind; ship, etc. (See ancient Geography of Ayodhya, by Dr. Shyam Narain Pande; p. 8, plus 87 other references listed in the Internet.)
Aparagoyana ( Guyana ) clearly tells us that the Guhyakas and the Rakshasas were being exiled to Guyana because the civilized world was ashamed of them. Today, the name Guyana has shrunk to just the top right half of South America, but a sizable portion of the territory still retains enough of the ancient name of the left petal to let us know that the total region was in no way named Ketu Mal but Apara-Guyana. On the map itself, you will see Guyana as the first nation. The second nation's name has been changed to Suriname, which is also derived from Sanskrit. Suri is a name of God Krishna. Nama=Named. The third one at the right is French Guiana or French Guyana.
It is a fascinating anomaly about these nations that the majority population is of East Indian descent. People of African descent come next. After that, mixed races, European (mostly Portuguese) and Chinese.
So that seafarers could know for sure when they were following the trade winds correctly to Central America, the old Hindu legends gave extremely exact information to let them know they were sailing between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. According to any of the 87 descriptions of Apara-Goyana or Guyana you can find in the websites describing it, 'When the sun rises in Jambudv’pa, it is the middle watch of the night in Aparagoyana; sunset in Aparagoyana is midnight in Jambud’pa, and sunrise is noon in Jambud’pa, sunset in Pubbavideha and midnight in Uttara Kuru.' How can any astro-geographical description be more accurate than that?
So now, my Hindu friends, you have this part of your history back. And the orthodox historian villains are growling, 'Curses, foiled again.!' It's not so preposterous as Kubera 'spending ten thousand years with his head below water,' either. It is one hundred percent fact. No skeptic or religio-cultural enemy of India can ever twist this truth to mean something it is not. The truth of Idia's dominance and colonization of the ancient Americas is nakedly exposed to the whole world. If you don't take the initiative and start rewriting your history books right now, you have no one but yourselves to blame when the self-worshiping 'rational' academics try to cannibalize you!
I want to add that I also accidentally stumbled upon the method of unlocking the simple to learn secret of decoding the so-called mysteries of Hindu mythology. They aren't mysteries at all but probably the most scientific books ever written. Once a person learns this trade secret, he can make valid conclusions whereas others, especially 'smart rational, can't be fooled western scientists and orthodox historians' cannot -- and won't. The critics of the Hindu holy books would really feel like -- or actually become -- fools if they knew what they were mocking. They're really quite easy to unravel -- much like finding the way out of simple mazes. Since I have concentrated mostly on the mystery of whether or not India and the Turks, a.k.a. The Holy Twins, discovered the Americas, I may have worked myself out of a job. I must find other Hindu oriented mysteries to unravel.
My detractors often say to me, 'Well, if that trade secret is so easy to learn, why don't you give it to the world?'
This is my answer: Mankind is worse ethically and morally than the most brutish of apes. He appears determined to kill not only himself, but everything else on this planet. So why did Thomas A. Edison destroy many of his most potentially lethal mathematical discoveries before he died? Or why did the widow of history's most famous sexologist, Sir Richard Burton, burn his papers after his death? Or let me put it this way: Are you pleased to know that Iran has learned how to manufacture nuclear weapons?

SEE ALSO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patala
One of the realms of Patala, the Underworld, is Atala: many have thought Atalac was a rememberance of Atlantis. It is clear that the Central American Nagaland (of Quetzalcoatl) is seen as a continuance of Atlantis from the Indian point of view. The Patalas are the work of and run by the descendants of a mythological character known as Maya.

A 'Patala', which is, simply put, a piece of furniture meant to resemble the structures in Patala.